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i plug it into the computer, go to chartbuster, and songs transfer through their website to my hard drive through the internet......what part of that is not downloading?
got toi Chartbuster, download the song, pay $1.50 to use it
go to Tricerasoft, download the song, pay $1.50 to use it.

now I am not trying to pick it apart, i like the idea and will be buying one to build a second system soon. i am only contesting the double standard of the downloads.

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I must have got a different one. That isn't how I get my music. While I won't dispute it's a download, I don't to Chartbuster, I go to Compuhost and download them thru there, not Chartbuster. Then the songs are there and I can unlock no matter where I am without having the internet. That's the difference.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

If you download a song directly from the CB site, aren't those downloads for non commercial use only? Just askin'

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Rumbolt... just askin'....

What you're askin' is the crux of the issue that Paradigm is getting at.

Why can I purchase 11K tracks in a locked state with updates being downloaded when I choose to connect and those downloaded tracks are okay, when I if I go directly to Chartbuster's site and download a track directly from them to my system, that track is not okay for commercial use?

What exactly is the difference in licensing? They cost the consumer (Public or Home) the same amount. If they can "serialize" every song on the KJMP, why can't they serialize a track that they sell directly to a KJ who is a "registered" customer?

In order for this to make sense, I believe there has to be some fundamental difference in the delivery method or the limitations on physical media (production, distribution, market window for new product, etc) and the very different limitations on digital delivery. I don't really know what those are... just askin'

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the only way I can see chartbuster being able to get the IP holders to agree to this, was the fact that they encode the songs with a personalized ID number, making that song easier to trace.

yes, those who know how can remove it, but the majority of people won't bother.

That may be why these 'downloads' are licensed while the others are for home use only

-James

And that's where I ask: Why?

Are the songs on the drive already imprinted with that unique ID?
Is the ID imprinted as a result of the credit being used?
When does the file on the KJMP get its unique ID?

Can they add that unique ID to a downloaded track? Can they do it on the fly? Could they create a way for you to "trade" a direct download for a serialized version? It's here we go again with time & money to eat at the meager profit from a single track purchase of $1.50

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Never the same show twice!

As i understand it it is the Compuhost software itself that inserts the serial id, based on the individual account #. you use a credit to purchase that song and the song gets 'serialized' by compuhost and then it becomes usable.

Up until that point all songs on the drive whether downloaded or not, are unserialized but copy protected so they are not useable.

The ID# (if I understand the way it works) is attached to the track at the time it is unlocked with Compuhost.

Although you do get updates, the initial tracks (11,000+) you receive when you purchase the drive are already loaded and therefore they are not downloads. Yes the updates are delevered to your drive by internet but the essence of the system is they are not available for your use until you use a credit and they are then tagged with your individal id#

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

I understand the process.

What I am asking is why the process has to involve the HDD & CompuHost to serialize the song.

If I have a unique registered account and/or ID with Chartbuster, why can't I purchase a song directly from them and download it with the id number embedded?

I'm not really asking about the technical details as much as I am asking why, if the end result is the same, are we being encumbered with the physical media and the unlocking process? I don't need their HDD. I don't need to store an additional 11k files when I already have over 7k of their tracks. This is DRM (Digital Rights Management). I know the technology is available to protect Chartbuster's product in alternative ways that don't require a pre-purchase and unlock scheme along with physical media. I am trying to figure out what it is that stands in the way.

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Never the same show twice!

Practicality. They don't want to take a lot of trouble to productize something that would be a royal pain in the keester.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
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I believe it was stated that they already mark the downloads so I agree why block downloading if you want it. I personally like the HD option because I can access the songs immediately rather than have to tell the customer that I will have it next week, please find another song to sing in the meantime. I won't download on the fly because then I have to open up the import during the show. The Hard drive option does that automatically for me. Oh that's a big difference from downloads. With downloads I have to rename the file before it can be used because I want my files named the same should I have to reimport my songs due to a mistake.

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Annnd can't buy credits again. Can't even login to the chartbuster website.

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If you're going to eat my mic, do you at least want some condiments?

Did you call CB and complain?

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

I'm confident they already know about the problem.

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If you're going to eat my mic, do you at least want some condiments?

I am continuing to love this system for new releases. Friday night someone came up and asked if I had some new country song. I looked, and it was one of the new releases I had just downloaded earlier that day. It wasn't even in the book yet. Unlocked, sung, patron was very happy. Score!

Pulling the trigger on the 2nd. Wonder how long it's gonna take to get here from then.

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[quote="RLC"]Here is the song list from the Compuhost (karaokeware) website for the HD Media Pro HD in excel format within a zipped folder, from there you can export to csv if that is what you need.

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http://www.northmetromusic.com/hdmp.htm[/quote]

Thanks, for the link. I ordered the drive and software and tonight is my first show. Unfortunately, for some reason, I am unable to export the song list from the hard drive, the only songs that show in the CSV file are the ones I have manually added. Without your link, my song book would be very tiny.

It is not readily apparent, but to export the list of tracks on the drive you need to go to File, KJ Meda Pro HD, Configure/Manage KJ Media Pro HD...at the top of the screen click "Advanced" then "Export KJ Media Catalog for Songbook Printing".

Another reason to get Media Pro HD is the fact that one need not submit to an audit to use it in a professional Karaoke show. As long as you only have 10 or less discs from CB you don't have to spend the money to become certified. I received my re-certification certificate yesterday. Didn't cost me a penny.

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The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.