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I agree with you, but you can't tell me that people will only remove the REALLY bad stuff, they will remove things as they see fit......such as..."Hey I really think you need to turn you vocal track up"....or..."Say there Don, you might want to concentrate on your pitch on this part"...........People would have the ability to make all of their 'C" submissions perfect 10's....which totally defeats the purpose.

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It's either try to make some option changes or get a moderator as Jian mentioned to keep tabs on SS like the mods monitor the KS forum.  I just don't think the current 'well, let whatever happens happen' approach is working.  E.J. maybe correct.  Maybe we should take this stuff a lot less seriously?  But to make that work right, EVERYBODY would have to agree to take it a lot less seriously IMO.  :)

And see what I mean?...Your saying you have requested to be barred from the forums, but your still here!  You can not expect the Admins to babysit you, your an adult and should act in such fashion, I do not have any ill feelings towards you Michael, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

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Same here.  That's a good point, Nathan.  Maybe we can ask people what they feel should be good ways to critique.  I vaguely remember Jazzy starting a thread once about the right/wrong ways to critique.  I don't remember if that's what lead to that option but you're right, there should be rules to follow.  BUT, that doesn't mean that the singer will like/accept what is told to them EVEN if they asked for it.  The wrong word is said, or the meaning not understood and the fire is lit.  And that is why this poll is being conducted, so that each person can make that PERSONAL choice of what to accept.

I also think that once you make your comment, it should not be alterable.  Not the person commenting and not your reply.   Period.

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What I am implying Nathan is that even when I've gone to threads and have shared my opinion or given what I felt was earnest advice or suggestions, my post is very often followed by an off the cuff insult or some pejorative of a sort by a couple of folks currently making this their stomping grounds.  Being a creature of habit, I always feel I need to address something I see here in a civil way. The only way to bar me from doing that is to bar me!  I know it sounds illogical but you'd have to be in my shoes to getting a gleaming of my perspective on it.

Nathan.  Are there no solutions to these problems we're talking about?  Is it just the 'law of the jungle' that will prevail?  LOL  What are your ideas for solving these problems?

Ahhh Luly....  Ya know I love ya, but I must politely disagree......The fire will still be lit, just under different circumstances...and also, it will totally disable the 'C" feature to the point that it might as well not be there at all, just imagine an SS in which everyone can make there own perfect 10 "C" submission whenever they see fit, it would get ugly, and now that i'm thinking about it, probably worse than it is right now.....

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Hmmm!!!! The idea of not being able to edit an SS comment/reply would force people to think long and hard about the content before they submitted it.  Yet another good idea Luly!  :)

[quote="Luly @ Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:30 pm]

Same here.  That's a good point, Nathan.  Maybe we can ask people what they feel should be good ways to critique.  I vaguely remember Jazzy starting a thread once about the right/wrong ways to critique.  I don't remember if that's what lead to that option but you're right, there should be rules to follow.  BUT, that doesn't mean that the singer will like/accept what is told to them EVEN if they asked for it.  The wrong word is said, or the meaning not understood and the fire is lit.  And that is why this poll is being conducted, so that each person can make that PERSONAL choice of what to accept.

I also think that once you make your comment, it should not be alterable.  Not the person commenting and not your reply.   Period.[/quote]

Very good point Luly that is the one thing that disgusts me more than anything else. The ability of some to edit their vicious remarks constantly yet there is no redress for the replier. Take away the edit function all together

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

We're not so much concerned about the Rank as we are the slanderous content of the comment itself.  And we all know what those look like I think!  What if the Rank score could not be altered by the singer? Only the language.

Yep, either both sides should be able to edit or neither.

.....As I said before, maybe make the rules of the SS a little more apparent, explain in detail what each function of the SS is used for, and set people lose...There will always be arguments, but why replace one problem with another?  Perhaps all new members should receive an email explaining these things, or maybe put some type of disclaimer in the upload page.......

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Actually Don I think the rank thing is kind of redundant. If I am having something constructive to say then I refuse to select rank.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Don't worry Nathan, disagreeing with me definitely doesn't bother me.  You may even make me change my mind if I see your point.   Regarding the perfect 10 submission....there are already subs sometimes that not everyone agrees should be perfect 10's, yet the comments are gleaming.  Yes, like I've said several times before I am sure it can be manipulated to give you all perfect 10's.  It WILL bother some people...others won't give a flying saucer.  This will not be a perfect solution, I doubt anything can.  But...maybe we can try it on a trial basis?

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Here's another idea...just throwing it out: No comments, just a selection of check boxes with the usual fluffy things on it (i.e., "Great job!", "Good job", "Enjoyed this", etc.).  The most appreciated comments are probably the ones you get sent personally to you to your PM box anyway.  

If anything, look at the rankings available in the critique checkbox: "Oh My God" and "Barely Listenable" are ALREADY there to set the tone for negativity.  Someone seeing those two descriptors (say a newcomer) gets the sense that if these rankings are allowed so is a scathing critique.

Let's do away with those two and the "Perfect" (there is no such thing) and grade it as following:  Poor, Fair, Good, Very Good, Excellent (or keep "Near Perfect" where it is, although that's a stretch).

Yeah, good idea.  But rules are only good and valid if they're enforced.  It's the rule enforcment that seems to be lacking.

My mind is humming along today.  Must be the meds I'm on...  

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Once again, you make a valid point, but don't you think it would look a bit strange to have a 7 ranking on a submission full of fluffy comments?.....

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This option could work too Michael as far as I'm concerned.  Ship the wordy song comments straight to the singer's PM box instead.  It may not be as much fun for the viewers, but it would cut out the inflamed comments for sure.