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well knight...I am the queen of fluffiness then I will not ever give a bad comment or ever say anything that will hurt a persons feelings...All we ask for is honesty...if you honestly like a song that someone is singing why not tell them...why pick it to bits..if you want your songs picked to bits..go to a singing teacher...here it is for fun...I for one can not tell if you sing off pitch or the wrong notes...If I like the song and boy I like a lot I will tell the person so...I post my songs for you to enjoy if this was a place for being the best of the best I dont belong here...I really dont mine being told there is to much echo or to much of something else..its all taken on board and stored till I record again and remember the hints I have been given...its all a learning thing...
I didnt mean to single out Tigger...sorry... but some times I read things a little different..but I still respect your opinion..
Karaoke after all is for fun and to give you pleasure in doing something you would probably never do....sing to real people instead of to yourself in the shower...It still blows me away knowing people all over the world can hear you...amazing stuff for this very outback see no people person... Me....this is my link to the world..and I love it ... and boy I am babbling geez dont even write letters this long..
All in all if you post a song and I listen to it ...I will blow fluffy and hugsss and just be plain nice..because ...well just because...
Now knight give my your email addy and I will really tell ya what I think in aussie.. I have no idea if I have answered the answer or not..but its my attempt..so please be gentle

cheers Melodie

ps melly I loves ya comments...so dont stop..you can fluff me anytime hugssss xoxox

Now this is a very good thread... I am enjoying reading everyones input.

To fit in with this topic -

Here is what I am working on, can I get some feedback on each.

1) Checkbox: Critique. This is a box that the submitter would check to request valuable suggestions for improvement.

2) Checkbox: NO RANKS (already exists, and allows comments) -
Change to Radio Button Select either NO RANKS & NO COMMENTS, NO RANKS with Comments, RANKS & COMMENTS, or RANKS & NO COMMENTS.

3) Radio Button: Select either Private or Public Comments. Private only submittor can read. Public is as it is currently.

Let me know what your thoughts are on these. I am currently in development of these functions and prior to implementing or completing your suggestions for improvement are desired...


PHILL

Gday there Phil...some good ideas...

but I am not liking the private comments...I would like all comments to be public...I dont know about others but there are way to many weirdos out in the world that I feel would leave very unsavoury messages...and if they are private they will get messy I am sure...I like to think every comment should be just that ...a comment on the song...and if the comment is other than that take it to an email or a chat program...

Ok thats just my thoughts

the other ideas all sound great...you have been busy

cheers Melodie

i agree with mezza there are far too many un savourly characters around and if i am gonna get abused i would rather it be in public than private i think that would cause far too much trouble....i also agree on the point whereby i wont leave negative comments for people because whether they are (@$%&#!) hot or put ya fingers in ya ears...they still have given their best and are doing what they enjoy...how many of you would stand up in a karaoke bar and shout oi! mate get off the stage you suck....not many unless ya want a black eye and broken nose and a week off work.....so why would you wanna do it here? anyways thats ma little input hehehehe

oh and to add to what i put above....yes i know the difference between constructive comments and fluff....give me fluff anytime unless i ask for different...when i want constructive advice i will ask...i say about negative comments....cause....well i have saw some people in the past get constructive comments and take offence to it....soooo i am not wanting to make enemies...they get fluff from me...i will however comment on peoples mix and such ...and i will ask people to try certain songs etc...thats my little way of being constructive friendly and helpful....just thought i had better clarify what i meant.....yeah i waffle and when i read back i dont make much sense to myself either let alone anyone else thats gonna read olol

I don't think adding a critique box is going to help.

Just because you put that little button on does not mean that everyone here is going to jump in and start offering advice...to be honest, you may end up getting less comments because people will probably tend to stay away from that political stuff.

The last time I decided to leave a positive, constructive comment, I not only got slammed by the subber, but about three others that commented after me saying that I was wrong, and did not know what I was talking about.

I will be the first to admit I know nothing about singing or mixing. I just know what sounds right to me and does not sound right to me.

I just recently started singing lessons, and if you want to learn to sing and get some good critisism, that is about the only way to go. I have had so many problems with my singing that no one here would be able to fix by listening....why...becuase I was singing too much with my shoulders and chest rather than my stomach.

If anyone here could have picked that out while listening to my singing....without seeing me move...well, then they are amazing.

My point is is that if I can't even know how to fix my own voice without professional help, what makes you think that I can give you advice on how to fix your voice?

What help is someone saying (just as an example) "You need to add more vibrato to your voice" going to do to me? There is no offer of how to fix it, or even any advice on how to control it. Just plain telling me that I need more vibrato.

So, I get this on every song..."I still think you need more vibrato" so..how is that helping me get better?

I truly believe that if you want to have an "Honest Critique" category, phil, you are going to have to give us WAY more space to type. And you are going to have to turn it into a type of forum becuase if someone keeps on telling me that I have no vibrato (again, just as an example) that I should have the chance to respond with questions on how to fix it. And they should have the chance to respond to my quetions.

Finally, if you really want to learn about your voice, and such, a vocal coach (as far as I am concerned) is the only way to go. Everyone is different, and they can tell you exactly what you are doing wrong and how to get better.

I am lucky that I have found an amazing coach that does not charge me an arm and a leg for lessons....and it is the best thing I have ever done.

And as for you, Tig, Tigger, Knightshow...if you want to have critiques, why don't you go out and try it for yourself rather than complaining about it all the time? You seem to want stuff done...yet don't make an effort other than constantly expressing your dissatisfaction because you get and see "fluff" all the time. There are many people here (including myself) that have said they don't mind getting critriqued....but I don't see any comments from any of you. Maybe if you took some initiative then perhaps others would too.

here here ris!!!!! couldn't agree more!!!!!!

ok it's all well and good that you all have an opinion on the matter.....

but just let the people who want it, have it!!

Good grief! We've allready been told that we're getting it.... so critisizing it ain't gonna make a difference.

Just don't use that damn thing if u don't like it!
Is this some kind of rocket science? Is my IQ not big enough to understand the concept of "Use it if you want.... don't if you don't want"? Cuz I'm pretty sure I've got it down-pat.. correct me if I'm wrong.

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because that makes too much sense crystal... as it sits right now we don't have the option of No Comments so the fluff continues and there are many who can't stand the phoniness of it... Phill those are excellent options for people to use, or not use, and everyone can tweak their subs and what responses they wanna deal with... I can't think of any simpler way or smaller words I can use- use or don't use... -tig

Right On Phill, I like it. But I'm concerned with one thing.

What does it matter if people don't LIKE the options? Give them, but make the defaults the way they are currently... so that those that like things the way they are see nearly the same options. Let those of us that don't want any comments, or whatever CHANGE the options to reflect what WE want it to be.

I like the private comments. That way I think people could get comments that would be LESS fluff and more substance. The critique would work the same way.

Keep up the great work.

Matt

Gday again...Tigrrs you are full of crap mate...if you burp or fart ...there is no way you would get a 10 or any fluff from me...unless of course if you are aussie male ...than maybe it would be an 7 or and 8 as aussie men take pride in such things...

You say you dont like the fluffyness of comments so you dont post songs...correct me if I am wrong...but I am a bit annoyed this morning becasue I got a so call honest comment on my sub this morning...

Syberchick70

Great great song but well, timing was a bit off and pitchy and you were missing that tough diaphram 'punch' this song needs, but I understand you were going out on a limb with it, so points for bravery. You could tell you were having fun with it. Keep trying, and maybe redo this one... I think you could do better.


This comment really sums up what I feel about people and honesty...It made me feel like total waste of space...and that maybe I shouldnt be posting songs at all.. wheres the fun in this comment..I would prefer fluff anyday..Like I said before if I wanted my song pulled to bits I would take it to a singing teacher....if you have a problem with a someones song ..tell them to try another mix or something...you should never attack there singing and conferdence like this...it hurts way to much..

I respect your opion for honest comments ..this is just how I feel this morning...I would rather she didnt comment at all

cheers Melodie

ps if the comment ratings was in she would get a big fat 0 from me

Because you DON'T get it Rits, and I'm sorry to see that.

Since you want to remind me of what you've said, I'll remind you of what I'VE said:



And your comments are exactly why I stopped going there. You're actually complaining that I and others aren't listening to your stuff, or contributing or whatever.

As I've said in the past, I have download problems here... unsure what it is. Also, I listen to those I LIKE listening too... the songs, etc. For the most part, you've not put anything up that I've wanted to listen to. What would you have me do? Listen and then tell you "it's not my cup of tea?" Why should I make the time to sacrifice what's left of my download speed to listen to something I'm not INTERESTED in listening to?

I like eighties and rock stuff. Occasionally some cross over stuff. SINCE you made a point to ask me, I went into the Showcase to check out the five songs in your arsenal. Of the ones you have, only one interests me. "I'm The Only One". And since it was BURIED (subbed back on Nov 17th), I missed it. So here we find ourselves in the quandary of the site is so busy that some people get missed.

I gave UP the showcase out of the sheer frustration of trying to make people happy. Your example only SHOWS this even more.

Rather than trying to take our comments for what they are, an effort to imprve the site, you attack our motives and our reasoning.

And you guys say that WE'RE troublemakers?

Pffsheit!

First of all, I don't give flying hoot if I get 1 comment on my song or 10 comments on my song or 100. Great....you totally took what I said out of context, and that is exactly my point about critiques and stuff.

I have NEVER once complained about not getting enough comments, and not once have ever complained about not getting enough critiques.


And as for the contributing part...i just hate people that complain and dont' to anything to rectify the situation...it reminds me of the people who talk on the phone all day to their friends and then complain they have no time to work.

If you want to get something done...go out and do it...don't complain.

This what I said:

"There are many people here (including myself) that have said they don't mind getting critriqued....but I don't see any comments from any of you. Maybe if you took some initiative then perhaps others would too. "

Well...maybe then Heather was complaining no one was listening to her stuff when she started the thread about who wants to get honest critiques...and how about the others who joined.

I was merely stating the POINT that I don't mind getting critique, and wheather you liked the kind of music I put up was not the issue.

Did you ever think that maybe people don't give you comments for the same reason you just gave yourself? Did you ever think people don't feel qualified to give you honest crituqs for the same reason!

You were simply stating the reason of why you want the stupid button, and I was stating my reasons as to why I think it is pointless.

And don't worry, just like everyone else seems to want to do..I don't see any point in subbing any more either. I am apparently asking for too much and offending people for simply stating my opinion as to how I don't like the stupid private comments thing or the critique button....I have a right to express myself as do you.

don't do anything??

WHO do you think GAVE Phill these options???

and matt, who do ya think gave you the ideas hehehe you summed it up fine my friend... phill is working on the options we suggested and even a few more cool extras we didn't suggest... keep up the good work phill... look forward to the OPTIONS when you get them worked out... once again, for those who don't wish to use these OPTIONS they can continue to allow the comments or ranking or combinations of both as they see fit... - tig

Well, I have to congratulate you two. All those months of complaining sure paid off. Well done!

I don't see it as complaining. I DO see it as improving the site.

may little attitudes be forgotten

I will say ONE reason why I have pushed for the no comments option is you guys freak out when a member DOESN'T want to participate in the comments section. EVEN hassle them about it.

THIS option removes that problem and the apparant neglect by the "offending" member.

When you see a nice, politically correct comment about "HEY, great job on this. Your best ever!" when it's plainly an inferrior submission, you learn that not all comments are created equal.

The problem with nicey nice comments on subs is that many of the subbers BEGIN TO BELIEVE THEM. I'm NOT asking you to belittle someone where their feelers are hurt. I'm NOT asking you to rip them a new one. I'm NOT asking you to be a SIMON. Simon is a professional, and knows EXACTLY what to listen for, and what to look for in a modern pop environment. Sounds, looks everything.

NOWHERE did I ask for anything like this.

You guys don't want to be honest with your comments, FINE. But what you give out is what I call fluff.

And I'm including myself in this reception. If it WEREN'T for good friends like Tig (and Tigger) that let me know I tanked a song, I MIGHT have begun to believe the ranking I got. What I see now is that people were being kind, and nice, and enjoying the effort. That's not what I want in the submission site, at least not for me.

What I fail to understand is why having ADDITIONAL options would be a bad thing. This will in no way change the way regular members REGULARILY submit their songs. You guys are slamming us because we want ADDITIONAL things, NOT to totally change the way it's done.

SHEESH!