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YES! LET'S IGNORE IT AND BURY OUR COLLECTIVE HEADS IN THE SAND. THAT WILL MAKE IT GO AWAY. Even if the google search would have pointed people in the right direction, it would only help more pirates find them. What purpose would that serve? the pirates already know where to find them.

Ok we will just bury it then. Carry on.

On another note, i have a question?

If i have the Cavs SCDG disks of Chartbuster Essentials 1-6 2700 songs, do i have to go through Certification?

Yet again you provide false or misleading information. When will I learn to assume you know absolutely nothing about whatever comment you make on a topic!

I feel certain Jim and SC will not bury their heads on this. I simply prefer FIRST HAND information to he said she said. And I stupidly assumed a confirmed post provided first hand information without considering the source.

From here on out I am going to assume you are providing bad information until the information is proved otherwise.

Per the PeP website. You do not have to get Certified. But you are required to register your Chartbuster information.

https://pep.rocks/cb_reg.php

So I'm going to fall for the reverse psychology ploy???? these are not the droids you're looking for.

Interesting, no mention of us old KJ Media Pro HD users.

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I'm not sure what that means.
And to qualify my previous post, it was not directed at you. I understand you know someone who brags of using pirated GEM. I am not questioning that. But it would be much more solid if it was seen in person which would make it first hand..

So sorry that you don't know where to look for them, MrBoo; but that doesn't mean that they aren't out there. I'm sure that you must know someone who can help you find them. I'll call my local pirate KJ and ask him to turn himself in to you ok? Then I'll have 5 or 6 less shows that I can go where I can sing to Gem tracks.

We don't distinguish between discs, SD cards, or hard drives, as long as they are original media.

https://pep.rocks/chartbuster.php

No. Certification is available but optional for people who have original media. However, we will ask that you register your original media with us so that we know that you have them.

You are coming on pretty strong for only 8 posts. We don't know you or anything about you yet. How about gradually working your way into our confidence. Insulting a valued member doesn't settle very well.

I really don't know where to look nor do I plan to try. Going to those type sites could be detrimental to my current profession\position so I have no use for Mirc type sites. besides, it's not my responsibility to even try to look. You can be an a$$hat all you want to me but that doesn't replace the fact that nothing has been posted first hand that shows the Gem is on Mirc, although it may very well be.

It would actually be upsetting to me if it is, as keeping a closed customer base seems to be the only thing that can stem some of the pirating. As much as I have differences with SC and their practices, I actually do (did?) want the Gem to work.

How would one document every kj media pro song. I have 140 of them.

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The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

WOW I'm lost here, I completely don't understand the fee structure....

$50/system so you have a paper that that says we wont sue you... and your registered

$250/system for an actual audit that says we wont sue you.. and your certified.

Is there a benefit to being certified over registered? What (if any) are they?

What happens when/if we buy more CB items int he future? Is there yet an additional fee? How much? Or is these fees 'lifetime' registered/certified.

Also in regards to people who have been or in process of being sued... whats THAT policy?

As we have all been saying on this board, CB HAS been media shifted by the old company before it went out of business. SD Cards, Hard Drives, SCDGs... you can own a ton of CB without you ever buying an actual CD. Just seeing no CDs on hand at a show is not a definite "Pirate" as far as CB is concerned. So how will you address that problem? I'd hate to hear that its going to be sue 1st, find out later.

How long of a time frame are you providing for people to get right with this? I'd also hate to think 2 weeks after this announcement we are going to see our 1st lawsuit.

Finally, what steps are you guys taking to announce these policy changes? I think a post here and there on karaoke boards is just not enough. I only found this place because I was looking for information is regards to something else. There will be many people caught in the web simply because Sound Choice until recently has NEVER been involved with Chart Buster product.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I completely understand why you go after SC product... but Chart Buster is a whole and completely different animal, and after reading this, seems much harder to prove who is legit or not. I just feel this is a horrible move on your end.

If you read the site you will see that already certified or gem owners get a discount on those rates.

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The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

I'm not sure it's really necessary to do that. We are trying to find the right balance between trusting people to be straight with us about what they have and getting enough information to have confidence in what we're being told. We're also trying to balance our need for information with the difficulties people might encounter in giving us the information. We do not want registration to be a searching inquiry.

One thing we could use some help with is understanding exactly what you might have that would give us some assurance that what you have is legit. With discs or SD cards, it's pretty easy for people to take photos of the discs (not necessarily individual photos per disc; just something that indicates holdings). For KJMP, a photo of the drive, certainly, if there is something on the drive (a label or case, for example) that indicates what it is. But we're very much open to suggestions from the people who are actually using these things.

What about a copy of a few email confirmations?

Certification gets you more than just a covenant not to sue--you will get an actual trademark license that will allow you to market your services as "Chartbuster Certified," and you will gain eligibility (with certain restrictions) for SC ADVANCE and for Phoenix Prime.

If you are already SC Certified, the audit price will be $150/system for the CB audit, and if you want to get both at once, you get a similar price break ($400/system for both instead of $500).



You'll need to update your registration or certification anytime your holdings increase by 2% (as of now; we're considering loosening that out a bit), but it won't cost anything. Registration and certification are both considered permanent as long as you follow the terms of the agreement.



We have not yet begun to sue anyone for infringement of the CHARTBUSTER KARAOKE trademarks. There were a handful of suits pending with the former owner as plaintiff, but I believe all of those have now been resolved.



First, we're fully aware that the old CB sold tracks on media other than CDs. With SC, we have always known that "original media" means "CD+G disc." With CB, "original media" can mean something else, and that's OK. We are developing procedures for our investigators to follow to account for the differences. But one of the most important things we're doing is making sure that there is a procedure to register your original CB media--regardless of what format it's in--so we can at least identify people who have shown us their original media and avoid suing them.

(By the way, our process has never been "just seeing no CDs on hand at a show," even for SC.)

When the registration system opens (hopefully around 1/1), we'll be offering a coupon code that will make registration even cheaper than it already is for a period of time.



We plan to wait for a significant period of time, maybe as much as 3 months, before we begin any suits on CB, to give people the opportunity to register and to get their systems in order. We're going to take steps to publicize the new process as best we can, and I would encourage everyone to spread the word to people who may not frequent boards like this. We'll send out messages to our mailing list, and we'll also ask Digitrax to do the same. Even after that time has passed, we will probably only bring CB claims as add-ons to an SC suit for some time, so that we're not actually suing anyone who wouldn't be sued anyway.



That's a fair comment, and it's something we're working on. We do genuinely want people who have original media to speak up about what they have and to get their original media registered.

We're putting together a web-based registration system that will be easy for people to use. Ideally, we'd like the registration process to take a KJ no more than about half an hour, including gathering and photographing original media, supplying certificates, uploading the information, and supplying us with some basic identity information.



You're entitled to your opinion, and believe me, we understand where you're coming from. However, we think it's very important to the industry that Chartbuster not become "freeware." The CB catalog is full of top-quality product--not every song, of course, but still-good, still-usable product. Legitimate hosts, who paid many thousands of dollars for their music, should not be forced to compete against pirate operators who paid little or nothing. We don't know of a good way to prevent that from happening except to buy the brand and enforce it ourselves, so that's what we're doing.

Because we have less invested in the CB brand, however, we are going to be much more flexible than we would be with the SC brand. The standard of proof for being legit will be much less, at least for registration, than we would accept for SC.

That makes sense to me. Of course, not everybody saves email, so we'll want some alternatives.

This is not what I meant. I was asking in regards to lawsuits filed by your company (SC/PEP) prior to acquiring Chart Buster over actual Sound Choice product. Those people who are currently being sued by you, or have resolved/settled/lost a lawsuit.