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Do you run a computer based show or use disc?
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jr2423 @ Wed May 20, 2009 3:26 pm wrote:
Michaelangelo1 @ Wed May 20, 2009 1:21 pm wrote:
It is a high quality MP3 codec.

So should I use it to rip my CDGs instead of the ripping program that comes with my hosting program? (Compuhost). If so what are the advantages over the others?

Lame won't encode karaoke files it only deals with mp3. Your Ripper uses a lame based encoder built into it to handle the audio part of the files.

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Once you download and install LAME, most ripping programs can pick it up and use it as their codec. For example, you tell your ripper which codec to use in options.

A codec is simply an algorythm, a method of compressing a file. Some do it well, some do not. Examples of audio codecs include MP3, OGG, WMA, AAC, ATRAC (sony minidisc) FLAC, AC3, and others.

You see, with any codec, you lose some quality. It takes out some of the bits you don't notice and scrunches the rest together in a format that can be standardized and read by software. The goal is to get the highest quality with the least noticable difference.

Using a codec is why an entire CD can take up only about 30+ mb when ripped, depending ont he codec and the quality level.

You normally want to rip at 192k or higher quality levels. The higher quality, the better they sound, but the more space they take up.


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Michaelangelo1 @ Wed May 20, 2009 1:32 pm wrote:
You normally want to rip at 192k or higher quality levels. The higher quality, the better they sound, but the more space they take up.
But with the cost of large size hard drives (1TB) being under $150 now days, there is no reason anymore not to rip at the best quality. Before the hard drives became so cheap, 80GB was a couple hundred buck not too long ago, people would rip at lower quality to conserve space on the drive.

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Don't waste your time ripping all your CDG's
Just find someone with a legal or Illegal hardrive with over 100,000 songs and copy the MP3+G FILES for a modest fee

You just have to make sure you copy and use JUST THE ONES YOU HAVE CDGS FOR :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:


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Ok, I can see I was confused. Since we were originally speaking of hosting with computer vs. Disc and I mentioned the tedious process of ripping my library so I could start hosting that way, I assumed that the codec was one for CDGs.

However, this does bring to mind yet another question (maybe someone might want to move this to its own thread). I recently had someone rip my DJ library for me. He used windows media player and ripped the library in wma lossless format. Having the library this way is good except it takes a lot more HD space. For my library that currently equates to almost 500 GB. This doesn't give me a lot of room to grow without transferring all to a larger HD. I will maintain my library in Lossless format for backup purposes, however I'd like to convert the wma to mp3; at about 192K as recommended.

So my question now is, is Lame strictly for ripping or, does Lame have the capability to convert my library from WMA lossless to mp3 @192K as a batch? (all at once from one HD to another) Or do I re-rip the discs to the smaller format?

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Don't waste your time ripping all your CDG's
Just find someone with a legal or Illegal hardrive with over 100,000 songs and copy the MP3+G FILES for a modest fee

You just have to make sure you copy and use JUST THE ONES YOU HAVE CDGS FOR Wink Wink Wink Wink



LOL Ive spent many many hours in junkyards looking for engines or car parts. I'll be damned if I'm going to find my music in the same manner.

I ran into a hell of a buy with SC cd's. I spent hours revamping renaming and getting rid of dups. Here is my library. Click the karaoke filter in the search engine. Sound Choice (SC) Chartbuster (CB) Top Hits Monthly (THM). I am very proud of this selection.

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karyoker @ Wed May 20, 2009 2:12 pm wrote:
I spent hours revamping renaming and getting rid of dups. Here is my library. Click the karaoke filter in the search engine. Sound Choice (SC) Chartbuster (CB) Top Hits Monthly (THM). I am very proud of this selection.

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Wow, I'm impressed. I really like the karaoke filter option. Mainly because now I know I can do the same thing in DJ Intelligence by combining my two libraries. I just have to insert a "karaoke" filter column and append my library. I suppose I should insert a DJ/CD filter as well for the non Karaoke listing so customers don't request a DJ selection that I don't have on karaoke or vice-versa.

What column did you put your filters in before you converted to a tab deliminated text file?

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I have mine in the third column.

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karyoker @ Wed May 20, 2009 4:12 pm wrote:
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Don't waste your time ripping all your CDG's
Just find someone with a legal or Illegal hardrive with over 100,000 songs and copy the MP3+G FILES for a modest fee

You just have to make sure you copy and use JUST THE ONES YOU HAVE CDGS FOR Wink Wink Wink Wink



LOL Ive spent many many hours in junkyards looking for engines or car parts. I'll be damned if I'm going to find my music in the same manner.

I ran into a hell of a buy with SC cd's. I spent hours revamping renaming and getting rid of dups. Here is my library. Click the karaoke filter in the search engine. Sound Choice (SC) Chartbuster (CB) Top Hits Monthly (THM). I am very proud of this selection.

library
Not sure what you're saying ---I'm just stating "sort of tongue in cheek" that instead of rippping CDGS you could just copy somones MP3+G Files --ASSUMING YOU HAVE THE SAME TITLES ON CDG.


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Just finished making the switch to computer and have started getting into a rhythm and up to speed. I plan on hauling the disks around for a while longer, until I can get a second hard drive to use as a backup (just in case I do something stupid).

The singers love how much faster and smoother things are running and the owner loves that I've added a crawl pushing the events on other nights.


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Went PC 3 years ago, did it for a year, went back to discs.

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jamkaraoke @ Wed May 20, 2009 2:55 pm wrote:
Don't waste your time ripping all your CDG's
Just find someone with a legal or Illegal hardrive with over 100,000 songs and copy the MP3+G FILES for a modest fee

You just have to make sure you copy and use JUST THE ONES YOU HAVE CDGS FOR :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
I know you're being tongue in check, but let's talk about what you just said. In all honesty, I was of that thought process in the beginning, and it's why I checked out many of the ways of sharing files. I was slammed on this forum for it. The problem is, many of the files are not ripped correctly, have tons of graphic errors, and some have been incomplete.

I finally deleted all my downloaded files I didn't rip, with the exception of the mediacloq discs that more knowledgeable folks had managed to rip. I never could crack those suckers, despite all the tips out there to do it. And since I only had 20 of those discs, I just didn't want to reinvent the wheel.

I still own all my discs, but there are a couple that are so scratched up, a couple I bought that way used, that I'd hate to use them in a disc-based show. If I NEEDED to, I'd go back. I just don't see the need, unless a federal order shows it's way to my door. I DID stop operating for a while when SC and PHM got ugly about the conversion to computer process. Then SC recently backed off and is now supporting kjs who are only running one gig per library owned.

I really don't ever see the need to go back to a horse drawn buggy anymore!


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knightshow @ Thu May 21, 2009 8:29 am wrote:
jamkaraoke @ Wed May 20, 2009 2:55 pm wrote:
Don't waste your time ripping all your CDG's
Just find someone with a legal or Illegal hardrive with over 100,000 songs and copy the MP3+G FILES for a modest fee

You just have to make sure you copy and use JUST THE ONES YOU HAVE CDGS FOR :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
I know you're being tongue in check, but let's talk about what you just said. In all honesty, I was of that thought process in the beginning, and it's why I checked out many of the ways of sharing files. I was slammed on this forum for it. The problem is, many of the files are not ripped correctly, have tons of graphic errors, and some have been incomplete.
Plus they are generally ripped very low quality & sound bad in general.

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I finally deleted all my downloaded files I didn't rip, with the exception of the mediacloq discs that more knowledgeable folks had managed to rip. I never could crack those suckers, despite all the tips out there to do it.

ONLY way I was able to get those ripped was on my older Win 2000 tower with a Plextor Premium drive & CDG Rip from Tricerasoft. No other machine, operating system or drive worked.

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Lonman @ Thu May 21, 2009 1:09 pm wrote:
Plus they are generally ripped very low quality & sound bad in general.
sorta what I was heading towards as a point. Not only did they do a poor job ripping in some cases, but also, the sheer quality was at below 128 kbps or at that, and nowadays, that just ain't good enough!


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Lonman @ Thu May 21, 2009 2:09 pm wrote:
knightshow @ Thu May 21, 2009 8:29 am wrote:
jamkaraoke @ Wed May 20, 2009 2:55 pm wrote:
Don't waste your time ripping all your CDG's
Just find someone with a legal or Illegal hardrive with over 100,000 songs and copy the MP3+G FILES for a modest fee

You just have to make sure you copy and use JUST THE ONES YOU HAVE CDGS FOR :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
I know you're being tongue in check, but let's talk about what you just said. In all honesty, I was of that thought process in the beginning, and it's why I checked out many of the ways of sharing files. I was slammed on this forum for it. The problem is, many of the files are not ripped correctly, have tons of graphic errors, and some have been incomplete.
Plus they are generally ripped very low quality & sound bad in general.


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I finally deleted all my downloaded files I didn't rip, with the exception of the mediacloq discs that more knowledgeable folks had managed to rip. I never could crack those suckers, despite all the tips out there to do it.

ONLY way I was able to get those ripped was on my older Win 2000 tower with a Plextor Premium drive & CDG Rip from Tricerasoft. No other machine, operating system or drive worked.


Another way that worked for me involved my Microboards QuicDisc duplicator. I put the Media Cloqed disc in, scanned, then copied on "safe" at 1x. The imbedded error correction software allowed me to make a copy- which ended up Cloq-free- and I was able to rip it from the dupe.

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Discs? DISCS?!!!

You punk kids and your newfangled toys! I use K-WAX. That's right, KARAOKE WAX CYLINDERS with my dual Edison Phonographs!

You think I am going to trust MY karaoke business to a bunch of ones and zeroes? Hell No! It's ANALOG BABY in the purest form! Wax!

Sure...I have to have a semi-trailer to haul around my 7000 wax cylinders, BUT MY PATRONS APPRECIATE IT! I have had several regulars tell me they can tell the difference between WAX and CD...and they are RIGHT!

I'm not about to switch over now. I have my entire life savings invested in WAX! And it sounds great!

Besides, CD's frighten and confuse me. I find comfort in my simple, easy WAX!

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Lonman @ Tue May 19, 2009 10:09 am wrote:
Computer all the way. I still have all my discs not only for proof of what I have on computer, but for emergency back up if needed. I do not download anything so everything I have in the computer, I have a disc to back it up. I don't 'save' any customer discs, I have a separate player for theirs.
So much easier using computer, quicker too for those companies that only used 1 player only as all songs are always cued up & if someone changes a song at the last minute, it takes 3-5 seconds to get the new song cued & playing.


Ah, this ol' chesnut again. :D

Why folks stubbornly refuse to take the leap I can't comprehend. Song cues INSTANTLY, you can change a request in seconds, you hardly even need song slips, no disc numbers for the singer to look up, no big stack of discs to carry, it handles your rotation, remembers key changes and singers histories, runs your filler music, and makes your job virually hassle free.

Why continue punish yourself and your singers with discs??? Why???!!

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BarryKaraoke @ Fri May 22, 2009 1:10 pm wrote:
Discs? DISCS?!!!

I have had several regulars tell me they can tell the difference between WAX and CD...and they are RIGHT!



OMG! That's awesome... :rotflmao: Best line out of a great post. :D

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BarryKaraoke @ Fri May 22, 2009 4:10 pm wrote:
Discs? DISCS?!!!


You think I am going to trust MY karaoke business to a bunch of ones and zeroes? Hell No! It's ANALOG BABY in the purest form! Wax!




Just FYI, you're already thrusting the bunch of ones and zeroes, the data on a cdg is in digital and your player works in digital :wink:


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Micky @ Fri May 22, 2009 10:30 pm wrote:
BarryKaraoke @ Fri May 22, 2009 4:10 pm wrote:
Discs? DISCS?!!!


You think I am going to trust MY karaoke business to a bunch of ones and zeroes? Hell No! It's ANALOG BABY in the purest form! Wax!




Just FYI, you're already thrusting the bunch of ones and zeroes, the data on a cdg is in digital and your player works in digital :wink:


REALLY?! I had no idea! Next you will tell me DVD's are digital too! :lol:


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