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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:15 pm 
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I started out in karaoke hanging out with some friends of mine from a band when they started doing karaoke shows. by there standards I was rotten, Ive gotten better but still not great.  I now own two karaoke shows. Ive learned what to sing and what not to so I dont suck so much. they still run shows and have kinda gotten a name as thinking they are better than everyone else. people who are new to singing dont want to sing at there shows. it seems to me that being too good is as bad as being really bad so Im happy to be in the middle.


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supercharged @ Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:15 pm wrote:
I started out in karaoke hanging out with some friends of mine from a band when they started doing karaoke shows. by there standards I was rotten, Ive gotten better but still not great.  I now own two karaoke shows. Ive learned what to sing and what not to so I dont suck so much. they still run shows and have kinda gotten a name as thinking they are better than everyone else. people who are new to singing dont want to sing at there shows. it seems to me that being too good is as bad as being really bad so Im happy to be in the middle.


that is a very good point...karaoke is for the punter and if you intimidate them then they are less likely to enjoy themselves :)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:30 am 
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I was thinking more about whether a stranger has ever told me I can't sing.  If we're counting SO's and close friends, yeah.  My wife isn't afraid to tell me when I suck at a song.  It doesn't hurt my feelings though, because I know that in general she likes the way I sing and thinks I'm pretty good.  Most of the time when she tells me this I already know I sucked, but every once in awhile I'll think I've done pretty well and I'll look over at her and she'll sort of shake her head as if to say "please don't do that again."

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On a personal level, there have been times when I've been tempted to tell someone in my personal circle that perhaps that wasn't the best song for them. Heck, I've done those songs myself once in a while...just for kicks.  As a KJ, though, I don't care HOW off key, out of time, out of range, etc., a singer is - I always try to compliment them on one aspect of their singing. Sometimes it takes a bit of imagination...Thankfully our shows are usually pro level singers so I don't have to do that often. And once in a while, if I have a nasty crowd (not usual attendees at my show - usually a bunch of drunk diaper-leaguers), I'll suggest to them, should i see anyone making fun of a singer, that they will be the next singer and I will chose their song for them. Usually works pretty quickly at shutting them up. PS: Never had to do that.

On the other hand, I went to a show last night, little local joint. Not the best karaoke there...obviously a cliquey bunch. Finished singing two songs - The Story by Brandi Carlile, and Guilty by Bonnie Raitt - to my chagrin, but not totally unexpectedly, the only person who acknowledged my singing was the host.  That could be construed as a tacit "you can't sing" but I have learned that you can't blow into a small place, sing well, and expect acknowledgement. Can be hard on the ego, though!

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One night a guy wanted to sing and I couldn't let him, he got upset and told me, "hell I sing a lot better than you anyway!"  I told him that may be true but the difference between you and yours truly is that I get paid for it.  The one night I was at a karaoke venue and he was up singing - he lied, he couldn't sing.

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personally I've never experianced that - Buy as  KJ I have heard "remarks" from the crowd/audience when a "not so good" singer butches a good song.
I usually just ignore it as I don't want to bring MORE attention to the not so good singer ?


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jamkaraoke @ Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:46 pm wrote:
personally I've never experianced that - Buy as  KJ I have heard "remarks" from the crowd/audience when a "not so good" singer butches a good song.
I usually just ignore it as I don't want to bring MORE attention to the not so good singer ?

As many places as I have been, it wasn't until recently that I heard someone say this out loud. I was embarrassed, because it came in the form of someone telling me that they were looking forward to me singing, because "you can't be worse than him". And when I returned, the guy said "Wow! You are good. Why do they let that guy sing?" All in earshot of "that guy".

What do you do? I didn't say anything, because I didn't want to cause further embarrassment to anyone. Fortunately, when I didn't say anything to the guy he stopped.


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I had one person who came up to me and said :
"I used to think that you were a horrible singer, but then I realized you interpret the songs your own way, now you are my favorite karaoke singer to listen to."

Singing and music is one of those things that not everyone is going to like. I did a performance once that incited a heckler to yell "Get off the stage" while after the song a couple several other people said it was great.

I can think of many very popular music acts that I dislike, while on the other hand I love many singers/groups that are not popular and get bad reviews by others.

Music is a personal thing, and it is difficult to sometimes distinguish a good singer singing in an unaccustomed way or a disliked song with the ability of the singer.

While I can do a decent verson of many songs, all too often I push my limits in singing songs  that do not suit my range and ability. That does not prevent me from enjoying the variety and attempting something that is harder for me. To a listener it may sound "bad".

My view on bad singing is that it is generally a combination of three things, a person who is drunk, singing outside their range or not trying.

In my view the worst sin is not really trying. It can decrease the enjoyment for the whole night for everyone.

I know a few horrible singers that are trying hard and they put on a enjoyable performance because they are trying. Some good singers sometimes seem to be mocking the concept of karaoke, and that is far worse.

The only way a person can learn what songs are in their range is by trying and learning. Sometimes we all fall down on our faces.


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I try to stink on pitch.

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Here are my recent thoughts on this.  I'm TRYING to sing.  I might or might not be able to in time.  That being said, realistically, I know "I currently can't sing" AND, even though it doesn't feel as good to hear this and know it, the fact is, if my friends lie to me and tell me I "can sing", it doesn't change the fact that what's lousy is lousy... So feelings aside, I'd rather get used to (FROM THE ONSET) hearing "That doesn't sound that good" as opposed to getting trained to NOT hear the truth so the reality that I can't sing (wishing I could sing) becomes all the more difficult to take... It's strange sounding I know, but... SOME of us don't sound that great when we try to sing... If WE can't tell the difference, we rely on our friends ears... IF we're lied to HOW can we ever improve ?

It might not "feel good", but the truth isn't a bad thing to get used to if we want a foundation we can improve upon !  Here's another fear.. People apologetically feeling "We've told him that doesn't sound good, so lets throw him some table scraps".. Fact being, I ONLY want to be told "That sounds good" if it does... NOTHING less !!   Is this masochistic of me ?  NOT AT ALL.. I WANT to really be able to sing !  The truth is a MUST.   An interesting fact about getting an "F" to "C- as a grade is that you can re-do the work and improve.. Getting straight "A"s because your teachers pet doesn't mean you aren't a total fool.. Some things are only punishment when perceived as such..

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Someone once told me that I sounded like Bruce Willis. So yes.

That was heartless.  LOL


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People used to say that I really sucked- in fact they even compared me to a dying moose (and they said the dying moose sounded better!). Well, that was several years ago and, after some vocal training, I still frequently get that (maybe its my choice of music?), although not as frequently. How has it affected me- I use it as inspiration to try to get better. Hpefully some day, they will perfect a voice transplant operation!


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yep.. all my life at some point or another..

Started with my very first love... sigh :(

fast forward... hubby rolls eyes every time I sing

and then I started entering a contest once a year...  takes me two tries to get to semi-finals.. and then either I don't qualify in top 1/2 or I get last place for whatever reason..  The audience seems to like me..and many people come up to me after it's all said and done and say I was robbed...  it's the judges that don't care for me for whatever reason.. This year I placed last, and a couple people that didn't even sing their entire song cuz they forgot the words and started giggling thru a verse placed much higher.. oh and one woman sang Hit Me with your Best Shot entirely off key and still placed much higher.. .  :no: so yeah that's an unspoken message that apparently I can't sing isn't it? lol

I still sing... but have decided no more of that particular yearly contest..  and if I have the choice...  leave hubby home...  but it also affects me because I get very unsure of myself & highly intimidated.. and actually quit singing entirely for a 10 year stretch.. (not even to the radio).


and psssssst to Kristi... I'm SO glad you don't use that dying moose nic anymore!!! you do NOT sound anything like that so keep on singing! :)


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MorganLeFey @ Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:07 am wrote:
 ...karaoke is for the punter and if you intimidate them then they are less likely to enjoy themselves :)


you mean karaoke is not for the left tackle, the linebackers and the cornerbacks or any of the rest of the team?  what about the kicker?  what if the kicker is also the punter?  can he still enjoy karaoke then?

what?! :drunk:

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My singing does suck..  :hi5:


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I hear ya' Jerry. Maybe we should do a duet. LMAO


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Hey how about a trio !   That way there's a better chance we can screw up the harmony parts too !  Hey Jian,  you want to join a quartet ?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:36 am 
I don't think anyone's ever told me I can't sing.  Although, when I know I suck on a song, and I ask (expecting to hear it sucked) and I get 'Oh, you sang it good!'  That hurts more than if they'd have told me the truth, because then I don't feel like I can get an honest opinion from that person.  Some people are just like that - too nice to give an honest opinion.  Everything is 'that was good', 'you did good'.  Phooey!  I can generally guage from someone's reaction what they truly thought of a song, although I still think I'm my best critic.  I know if I hit a song or not.

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Fortunately, I *know* I sing well, and I select my music pretty carefully so that I don't embarass myself (too much anyway.)

However, I have a cow-orker (roadie) that can't sing worth a darn, so much so that the venue management banned him.

I really feel sorry for him since he does *try*; he just can't carry a tune in an 18-wheeler!

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mckyj57 @ Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:04 am wrote:
jamkaraoke @ Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:46 pm wrote:
personally I've never experianced that - Buy as  KJ I have heard "remarks" from the crowd/audience when a "not so good" singer butches a good song.
I usually just ignore it as I don't want to bring MORE attention to the not so good singer ?

As many places as I have been, it wasn't until recently that I heard someone say this out loud. I was embarrassed, because it came in the form of someone telling me that they were looking forward to me singing, because "you can't be worse than him". And when I returned, the guy said "Wow! You are good. Why do they let that guy sing?" All in earshot of "that guy".

What do you do? I didn't say anything, because I didn't want to cause further embarrassment to anyone. Fortunately, when I didn't say anything to the guy he stopped.


Mcky I have heard you quite regularly tell us how good you are yet you dont sub on SS, why is this?

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