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Jian
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:53 pm |
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:48 am |
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Can somebody please tell me what they are saying about me over in Asia ?
http://kappy.exblog.jp/
and what's the photo on the top right directly above the september calender ? Is that a satellite google-earth image of my head ?
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eben
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:27 pm |
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What I want to know is when did North Korea move from Communism (more likely a dictatorship like in Cuba) to Socialism? I mean, there is a HUGE difference between the two.
You certainly don't want to offend socialist countries like Sweden and Denmark to be lumped together with North Korea.
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karaoke for food.....
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:42 am |
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Kappy ..it says they are looking for your @ss...so please be careful...we cannot protect you once you leave the safety of this forum.... Seems you like to sing that chinese song "one Hung Low"....That's a google earth image of your three drawer JVC. They got ya bud. Maybe you can move to hawaii, where it's safe find yourself one of those chocolate colored hawaiian beach babes....and learn the song "Hey I Wanna Lay Ya" it's on sound choice....Good Luck, George ![LMAO LMAO](./images/smilies/emot-LMAO.gif)
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:21 pm |
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Jian @ Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:01 pm wrote: You still don't get it. ![no :no:](./images/smilies/emot-shakehead.gif) I give up.
No, you don't get it. In Socialist speak, when a government says they are banning an unauthorized anything, it means all such places. I have some experience with dealing with these places. In effect...NO KARAOKE for you, if your a North Korean. The socialists have a whole different way of doing things, or is it you are an apologist for Socialism?
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lordairgtar
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:31 pm |
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eben @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:27 pm wrote: What I want to know is when did North Korea move from Communism (more likely a dictatorship like in Cuba) to Socialism? I mean, there is a HUGE difference between the two.
You certainly don't want to offend socialist countries like Sweden and Denmark to be lumped together with North Korea.
The nation is socialist, the political party is communist. Communism espouses a certain kind of socialism whether Stalinist, Leninist, Maoist or something of adifferent animal altogether like Cuba. These brands of Socialist governments should not be confused with the Socialist governments of Sweden or Norway which may have multiple political parties.
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eben
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:41 pm |
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lordairgtar @ Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:31 pm wrote: eben @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:27 pm wrote: What I want to know is when did North Korea move from Communism (more likely a dictatorship like in Cuba) to Socialism? I mean, there is a HUGE difference between the two.
You certainly don't want to offend socialist countries like Sweden and Denmark to be lumped together with North Korea. The nation is socialist, the political party is communist. Communism espouses a certain kind of socialism whether Stalinist, Leninist, Maoist or something of adifferent animal altogether like Cuba. These brands of Socialist governments should not be confused with the Socialist governments of Sweden or Norway which may have differing political parties.
Hmm, that throws away everything I know about political parties. I always thought the country and party can both be either socialist or communist. I was under the impression that socialism can only exist in a country where political party can change and communism can be either. If you look at Cuba or North Korea, it's a single party system, as was China/USSR was. I consider that communism rather than social ism because under true communism, everyone is considered equal and no one really controls the government. Socialism believes that government considers that everyone has equal rights, I think that's a bit different than being everyone is equal and may or may not have rights. That's my understanding of the differences.
If you look at their official name, it's People's Democratic Republic. However, there is nothing democratic about their political party (single party system).
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:54 pm |
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Quote: Kappy ..it says they are looking for your @ss...so please be careful...we cannot protect you once you leave the safety of this forum. Glad they're still unable to find it assuming they are looking. Wouldn't think it'd be tough to find tho given most technology today (considering my @ss has it's own area code). Quote: Seems you like to sing that chinese song "one Hung Low".... I sing the "Hecho en Mehico" version (or is it the Teikyo Marycrest rendition) of that song (or at least I thought I did the Pubric Dlomain versions ![Head Scrath :headscratch:](./images/smilies/headscratch.gif) ), Now I'm starting to wonder ! Quote: That's a google earth image of your three drawer JVC. HAH, Now I know you are just funnin, I don't have any drawers ! Clearly they'd spot my JVC since nothings covering it ! Quote: Maybe you can move to hawaii, where it's safe find yourself one of those chocolate colored hawaiian beach babes
I'll settle for meeting Larry Ramos and gigging with "The Association". Hawaii's like Florida, the girls only pretend they are interested in American guys because they want to get into this Country.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:08 pm |
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Eben,
I usually stay out've these conversations because our understanding of "True" Socialism, is not what many other countries call "Socialism". Of coure True "Communism" isn't my understanding of the term either, so assuming terminology gives a liberal meaning to an :ideal: government that invariably changes over time, what is a "true" system that can actually exist making all happy ? Names just mean nothing to me anymore.. I prefer not to use them. Same with Liberal vs Conservative.. Aren't most a touch of both ??.. Yet are we really a Democracy (given the patriot act today) and various other things that are transpiring ? Systems invariably change. I don't understand how seemingly opposite systems can coexist under the same roof (IE... Dictatorial government and Socialist People, my question of course would be WELL, which is it ? That to me is as clear as "sort've pregnant", or makes as much sense as phrases such as "Same thing but different". It poses paradox.) but I suppose arguably (given the patriot act) how aren't areas of our own government seemingly Dictatorial too depending on how things are viewed ? This stuff has, and will always confuse me..I just stay out've this stuff for that reason. People argue concepts without defining foundation principles of the argument..
In according to OUR understanding of :True Socialism:, certain governments just don't seem to possibly fit such a definition. "Soviet Socialist Republic" meant what ?
What are folks defining as Socialism ? Marx and Engels concepts ? How many types of socialism are there that CAN fall into Socialism assuming true socialism is considered just a pipe-dream. I give up ![Looney :looney:](./images/smilies/looney.sml.gif) These definitions seem to evolve into God knows what. Are we a Representative Democracy ? Dictatorial under the guise of Democratic ? (according to Locke which seems true, Freedom can only exist within boundaries). I can't figure this stuff out.. Assuming I did, it'd still evolve into something more awkward. So whether we think we are a democracy, seems in many ways we are possibly still according to many viewing our government, a hypocritical mess and in a state of Dystopia (feared 20+ years back facing an authoritarian change down the road), How much say does the voting public have in major processes ? Perhaps WE think we are more free than we truly are because we have certain freedoms perceived as "better than", yet few have actual reference points.. You I'm sure do (as have others that have been to any of the handful of other free countries, and NOT so free ones), Having never lived in other countries many love to profess that which they have no clue about, comparing US to them, yet what right do they have to do this not having a clue about "them" ? These 'isms just aren't clear cut. Seems we're a type of "Socialism" too, but, is a Government that applies certain amounts of "Social Control" not functioning within parameters of a different type "Socialism" which must apply limits at some point lest things are Anarchistic ? Is there liberal Socialism, Communism, and true democracy that can work or are most systems a concoction, maybe a better word is "perversion" of the true intended system.
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