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aznknightz17
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:50 pm |
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Ok i bought the cable. However, the sound coming out of the speaker sound so muffled? My home stereo get better sound than the MTX speaker... O_o. Am i connecting it wrong or something?
This is my route:
From mixer out to amp:
Then from amp to speaker:
Then this is speaker:
Btw: Only got one MTX speaker to test out, if i wanted to connect to two MTX....how??
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:51 am |
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You are in the wrong input of the amp, you are plugged into a crossed over low thru OUTPUT. You need to be in a full range input. The big round black plug right over 'bal low z'/'high z' is the plug you want to plug into. Take where it is plugged into low output & move it right in the center of the XLR/1/4" (combo plug) input.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:02 am |
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Relax, you are almost there.
Go to the back of the Peavey amp and unplug the cable coming from the vocopro.
Now plug it into the top-most large round black connector on the Peavey amp....Plug it directly into the center hole of the combo connector.
THe two round black jacks are your inputs for the amp. They are combo connectors that allow the use of different style cables. The center hole is for 1/4" phone plugs like you already have coming from the vocopro.
Go do it!
Now enjoy!
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aznknightz17
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:12 pm |
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh thanks guys!!! Now i am able to get power out of my speaker. I do have quick question for ya, the music coming out isnt all that good. I mean its loud, yes, but it doesnt have any professional sound to it. The current audio coming out is very skimpy. No base. Mostly tremble. Do i need an equalizer and add on top of my vocopro? Other than that, gonna go get myself another MTX speaker 2morrow. =)
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:56 pm |
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Well the mixer you have don't have any controls for the music bass/treble - just for vocals so however the disc is recorded is pretty much what it will sound like. Adding a processor - in this case i'd put a BBE Sonic Maximizer
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=180910 in between the player & mixer. This will give you music eq capability while not affecting the vocal eq that is already built into the mixer.
Also make sure the 'low cut' buttons on the back of the amp aren't engaged, this will cut out all your low frequencies as well. Also it will sound better when you get both inputs & speakers hooked up to the amp.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:26 pm |
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First make real certain you got your amp switched/filtered properly like the Lonman suggested.....Then make sure you got your red/black's connected properly at both ends of your speaker wires.
Break out your owners manual for the amp and get comfortable behind it......Look closely at the back of the amp while you read the manual and refer to the photo's and read what each item on the back of the amp is for and how it is used. Keep reading until you understand what you are reading and looking at....Don't hesitate to call Peavey tech support or read their support forum and ask questions until you do understand.
Trust me on this, the Peavey amp is NOT the reason your sound is not "Full" sounding...Well, the amp is not the problen unless you got it set up wrong.. That amp will sound better than any home stereo amp with those speakers once you get every thing connected and lined out properly....you are in the learning stage with pro audio and so far you have most of the equipment you need to learn with.
As you learn you will appreciate that amp more and more....You will discover it will serve great on a bare bones system like you have presently, and will also serve you as you expand to muli-amp/bi-amped setups....you got a pro amp with LOT's of flexibility built in and you will never regret buying it, nor will you discover how great it is till you need all it offers.
So now that you are connected properly, make certain your amped is switched properly like Lonman suggested.
Don't worry about anything on the front of the amp....All that is there is the on/off switch and the two input gain knobs. Those are not 'volume' knobs. They are input gain knobs....So turn them up all the way and leave them there if you expect full headroom.
Seeing as how you are using a single amp system just crank both knobs to the max and forget them....You will control volume at the vocopro, not the amp.....
If you do not crank the amp knobs to max, and then crank up the vocopro volume knob you have screwd your gain structure and it will not sound good/full....so open the entrance doors to the amp fully to let all signal in by cranking the input gain knobs to max, then control the sound pressure levels(volume) at the mixer.
The ONLY time you will reduce the knobs on the front of any power amp is when you have more than one amp and you are bi or tri amping your main speakers.....and you will only do it then to 'match' the input sensitivity of one amp to another amp.....Make that a Rule and stick to it.
Home stereo amps have 'volume' knobs, not pro amps......So don't ever use it like a volume knob. Set it and forget it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:51 pm |
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DO NOT go buy an equilizer YET!........Save the bucks on turd polish cause you can't polish a turn anyway....Get what you already got set up propery and you will discover an EQ is the last thing you want to spend money on.
An EQ is not required to reinforce prerecorded music in your living room unless you live in a cave and you have carpeted the walls with fur.
EQ's are only needed to make slight adjustments to narrow freqs to compensate for speaker placement and room shape......EQ's cannot fix the problem you described....Your problem is very basic and the 'fix' is in front of you already....find it.
Keep it simple.....First play with/learn to make what you got sound it's best....It's there and you will find it......Then and only then spend money on the stuff that can make it mo-better.....A surgeon does't amputate when you have a headache, so don't reach for the knife to stop the ache until you first attempt to treat the cause of the ache....otherwise you will bleed money....lots of it....and you will still sound bad.
You are a simple tweek/switch away from good sound.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:17 am |
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aznknightz17 @ Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:01 pm wrote:
No what you have should sound fine for home use provided it's hooked up correctly.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:40 am |
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Keith02 @ Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:26 am wrote: Don't worry about anything on the front of the amp....All that is there is the on/off switch and the two input gain knobs. Those are not 'volume' knobs. They are input gain knobs....So turn them up all the way and leave them there if you expect full headroom.
Seeing as how you are using a single amp system just crank both knobs to the max and forget them....You will control volume at the vocopro, not the amp.....
If you do not crank the amp knobs to max, and then crank up the vocopro volume knob you have screwd your gain structure and it will not sound good/full....so open the entrance doors to the amp fully to let all signal in by cranking the input gain knobs to max, then control the sound pressure levels(volume) at the mixer.
Hehe. Perfect. It fixed my problem. Thanks Keith and Lonman for your support. I really appreciate it. =)
Also, out of curiosity. YOu guys already know my current setup, is there any other devices i can add to make it even more professional? Just curios thats all.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:45 am |
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Yes........Place a jack under the vocopro, jack it up, and then slide a real pro mixer under it.
But save that until the vocopro breaks, whick shouldn't be too long.
You are at All Stop in the learning curve at this point. Now that you have a real amp and real speakers and the amp is set up and everything sounding good just enjoy it until the vocopro breaks. There is nothing left to learn or worth buying until you buy a real mixer.....Once that happens, and if you desire to learn more, then we can help you with mixer selection and even outboard gear and proper mics.
But at this point, if you are happy with the sound, then save your bucks because any more improvement is going to be costly and the results will be minor in relation to cost.
I'm glad I could be of help, but I'm especially glad you listened....I'm also glad you now are happy with your investment in the Peavey.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:16 pm |
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Oh Ok. Speaking of Mics, What are good wireless mic to go with? I heard there are two types, VHF vs UHF, and that UHF tends to be better for long range while VHF is pretty good if its for small room and house. Yes i understand they both operate under 2 different freq range and UHF wont have interference signals. But if its for small house, VHF is fine?
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:30 pm |
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VHF is fine for small areas with little interference, I run an older VHF Shure system in my club & never had a problem with interference yet & there is neon all around. Quality does make a difference in wireless IMO, haven't heard a decent cheap wireless yet even with kudo recommends from this board. If you don't mind scratch.dent sales, here is a great deal with a Shure Beta 58 capsule.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... ku=270674X
They still come with full warranties. Normally $450.
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Hey Lonman......I'm thinking this guy is a true junky like us.
I bet a year from now he is hosting his own show and sounding GOOD!...Wanna bet?
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:18 pm |
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Keith02 @ Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:33 pm wrote: Hey Lonman......I'm thinking this guy is a true junky like us. I bet a year from now he is hosting his own show and sounding GOOD!...Wanna bet? Wouldn't surprise me once he has all the good gear in place.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:31 pm |
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Quote: The woofers demand most of the amp power available cause mids and lows needs lots of power to move that big paper cone and coil assembly, whereas the horns that handle the high freqs need instant access to the amp's peak power.....So horns require amp peak power, whereas woofers require amp's continuos power rating.
Now in operation, what happens with too small an amp is that the woofers steal all the available power and the horns then cause the amp to clip....When the amp clips, it sends a square wave of pure DC power straight to the horns and the horn voice coils instantly burn out.
Thanks for this info btw.. All people have told me is "because of clipping distortion", yet they never made it clear (in basic terminology) WHY clipping or harsher distortion will fry speakers. This is easy to understand, and good to know. I'm assuming it's not actually VOLUME or sound from the harsh clip that blows the hardware but electric current overloading ?
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:23 pm |
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Alright this is weird. The whole set was working fine and all quiet and suddenly, when i changed my surge protector to UPS for TV and Amp/Speakers, i hear humming now. Its so annoying. I tried to isolate the cause but didnt help. Any idea?
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:29 pm |
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Hello Steven,
Cipping a power amp is when it "hits the rails".
First remember that sound signal from the amp is supposed to be AC power......AC means it is alternating current that has a wave-like form.
When you clip, it drives the amp into a DC current mode where the tops of the waveform hit the rails and they then become square waves of pure DC power that quickly overheat the voice coils in our speakers.......Whenever that happens it's alway the horns that blow first....If you keep it going you will also blow the woofers if the amp has the power.
You being a guitar player, you need DISTORTION, not clipping. Distortion is a totally different animal. For you, controlled distortation is good....But clipping is never good....Wake me up the day they produce a DC powered speaker...Till then, avoid clipping anywhere in the signal chain.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:12 pm |
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Thanks Keith,
I thought clipping was also known as "clipping distortion" which is among the harshest of distortion types. Whereby it's a smoother transition into distortion that so many guitarists favor (hence tube distortion is usually preferred compared to tranny distortion) OR am I confusing the harsher clipping distortion of transister amps (which is different than the type overload you are speaking of here ?). It's my understand that clipping is distortion OR is it "clipped distortion" where the wave is also cut at the top... vs the smoother transition into distortion from tube amps (also different wave form that I believe) ? At any rate, I better read on this elsewhere before I get kicked out've here again for muddying more water.
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