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All the above ^

It can be a combination of things. With myself I can sing the same song on different nights and get 2 totally different responses. The KJ should be able to provoke some applause, but being I am the KJ I just move to the next person in rotation as quickly as I can when there is no applause. I agree it can be song choice too. I have horrible singers get big applause just because they picked a great song. Then have a terrific singer sing, but the song bored them so they just ignore they ever sang.

Lon brought up a good point about regulars only resonding to people they know. Although in my venue people tend to encourage newbies and give a big applause even though they may be horrble.

Sometimes you just get a crowd who are into themselves. Meaning they only clap for their friends and ignore others when they are singing busy with drinking and chatting. I call it a COLD CROWD. I hate those nights because the crowd is less interactive and friendly. It makes for a boring night for me too. Unfortunately sometimes no matter how much prompting and pleading I do I can't get them into the over all experience.

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Last night I had a perfect crowd, people were applauding everyone without any prompting from me, even though I still made my give it up for lines.  Everyone was listening, clapping along, dancing - had an older couple in there 60ish NO LIE, dancing to BODIES - Drowning Pool!.

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Just got back from a picnic gig (for a lot of people I know), and I sang several songs. (Forgot which verse I was on while I was knob-twiddling, and repeated one -- I don't think hardly anyone noticed.)

I don't exhort applause for myself, so I didn't get nearly as much as other singers. But I got some. What was gratifying was that so many people came up to my wife during the show and told her how good they thought I was.

I also did my first real crowd shaping, or whatever you called it. We got about 4 slow songs in a row, and energy was dropping a bit. I brought my wife up and we did the theme from Rawhide, to enthusiastic applause and a new burst of energy. That gave it enough "oompth" to make it to the end of a 6-hour gig (albeit with an hour break in the middle).

I'm definitely a guy who sings songs for his own enjoyment rather than pleasing the crowd.  A lot of what I like to do isn't necessarily obscure, but for a karaoke crowd it's pretty obscure.  I bring my own discs, have quite a few custom discs from UK manufacturers.  And I tend not to repeat songs very often as I just have too much stuff I want to get to rather than work on perfecting just a few songs.  So I stopped worrying about applause a long time ago, I just assume it's going to be tepid and it's just a bonus if it's more than that.  

What is most gratifying to me is when somebody approaches me after I've sang and wants to know what the song was and who originally sang it.  It's nice to know that somebody genuinely liked the song and I feel good knowing that in my teensy little way, I'm exposing people to good music they otherwise would have never heard.

I have spent months singing new songs most I had never heard the original version. Most of of the time I got genuine applause. For years I would find some song I hadnt heard in 20 or 30 years. I would sing it For about 3 minutes the world was normal again the old body wasnt aching anymore I was in a different time and halfway across the world. Maybe I was crying inside maybe I was laughing or in love with my ex again. Applause? I dont know if I got any or not...  LMAO

Now I am an entertainer I can work a crowd I know the magic of turning on a crowd and setting souls free and giving people pure joy. I know what it is to totally give from the heart and receive from a strangers heart. It is not role playing with me I am I said It is not ego I have never charged or expected anything out of the extranordinary I sing to give others joy I sing for the pure pleasure of it. I SING TO BE FREE!!! And to forget about all this radical manmade fuc$%%# BS. One cannot apply rules or bind this magic in any way There are those that want to get rich or have fame and totally regulate it and try to tell me or my children what we can sing or what we can do I got 2 words for them!!!  I am a singer and let my children sing!!!

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I've heard it in here many times,  meaning, I understand that Karaoke has given "on-stage" performers that special license NOT to be "good".  I suppose given my toughened hyde as an old-fart performer it's just not sinking in though.

My point being "The Walk of Shame" for a person such as myself (who isn't a good singer) would always have been the Walk up to the stage to sing in the first place !
No ifs,  no ands, and no buts.  My point being,  I don't like "PC", nor do I like dishonest audiences !   My problem ?  SURE,  I'll own up to that too !  If I haven't earned my wings,  I shouldn't be flying IMHO.  Stage should be a priviledged place.
I would rather an audience DID NOT clap assuming they thought I sucked !

I don't like blatantly dishonest audiences if people think I suck,  None of this "PC" "everybody is a star" for me !  Applause IMHO should be honest and earned !  By earned I don't mean "If you have the guts to get up on stage you've earned the A for effort".  So I suppose I'm just unable to understand the concept of Karaoke in front of a crowd even still, I suppose I've become damaged goods from the old school of performing   OR,  I'm just being a stubborn Bltch,  but either way

I would NEVER want somebody applauding for me while out've the side of their mouth they are saying
" Damn,  he really sucked,  what an idiot".

As a musician I NEED honesty !   Not saying the delivery needs to be deliberately and unduly harsh,  but I need my friends and those around me to say "You aren't going to get on-stage looking/sounding like that bud"  !  Otherwise, my feelings regarding this doesn't give those of you believing differently the right to mock those that suck that are up singing at the "AI" level, some just don't differentiate game from real, and at some point MOST need somebody around them to sit them down and say "Look, you really aren't THAT good".  Reason being, we usually can't perceive our own ability level by listening to results,  We don't hear ourselves objectively when we sing..  Again, my feelings are that It's lies that often put such people on stage where at some point they are going to make an A$$ out've themselves !  

And I understand,  KJ's don't like my type of thinking because they wouldn't have work assuming  my mindset on this were the case.  

BUT,  there's no hypocracy here.  I love Karaoke,  but I love it behind CLOSED DOORS,  as I'd practice piano, guitar, bass, or ANY number of instruments UNTIL honest recital and Critiquing has deemed me worthy of "Getting up in the public eye". which sometimes is never the case.

JMHO,  I might never understand things as many of you do,  I had a rigorous classical school of performing arts upbringing starting when I was 3 years old.  I'm not saying to believe otherwise is incorrect,  I'm saying I'm a product of the 50's and 60's school where piano instructors actually hit me, and smacked my knuckles with folded newspaper when I did something wrong !  Performance (in public) was all about "As close to perfect as possible", and real !  My biggest fear is getting up on stage,  and have people applaud (thinking I really stink), or not applaud.  It's MY OWN responsibility at this point in my life to know my boundaries, and know WHEN I'm ready to perform in front of a the public because either way,  the immediate response to my performance might or might not be "real".  What's real is what they believe and think after hearing me.

AND,  for this reason because realistically I am only a 3-5 rank singer,  I will not submit to singers showcase.  Unless people want to hear a 3-5 rank singer and will be honest with me  (Which WILL NOT be the case) audiences DO scrutinize and hear what's real, they just are usually too kind to hurt a person feelings overtly.  Otherwise my friends can hear me, and mock me in private !   I won't have it any other way !


So,  I guess like Ollie,  I'm a CONSERVATIVE  :shock:  Rigid,  confused, and fearful that the precious old school will get compromised/ lost in the fray !  OR,  are we correct ?


Food for thought !

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Should i read  that monster post?

Condense it please my friend and repost

Big Jimmy,


  In brief I just stated that since I had a strict upbringing instilling "Stage is for the polished performer only" IMO the Walk of shame for many is the walk to the stage in the first place.  While Karaoke brings things into a different realm,  I still won't get onstage unless I believe I can do something well.  I realize for many this is a controversial area I've gotten into,  but it's my own truth.

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How is that different than any of the numerous other monster posts?  I gave up trying to wade through them a long time ago.  Heck, even his tagline is ridiculously verbose!

ah, well, Re-Invention, a little history might explain this a bit.

BJC has been on here since Jezus was a little bitty child! So he tends to think he can tell us all how to act on here. The fact that he's a bit right on Steven's post isn't helping matters! !

Also, BJC comes on here, stirs the proverbial pot a bit, and then departs for months at a time...

so take his posts or leave 'em... well, just like everyone should do with everyone on here!

Quite a few of my posts are long, I don't expect MOST to read them and although most don't have an interest in reading them, these seemingly superfluously worded posts often need to be substantiated.  Many of my posts get into what *I* believe to be a philosophical perspective on the performing arts (an area I'm fascinated in) and I'm not about to dumb it down. The above seemingly "long-winded rant" if not substantiated regarding "The walk of shame (for many) being TO the stage"  (assuming I left it brief) would tick quite a few Karaoke participants and KJs off (ending up drawn out regardless). That post is a VERY different perspective on what getting onstage is about, but it wasn't formed to "Stir a pot", It's my actual belief, and I wished to explain why I feel as I do.  

Sure I forget at times that this "aint" no philosophical room, but I don't lose much sleep over those stating, "I'm not in a mood to read all his drivel" since there are old school performers and semi pro-musicians in here too (granted not many). Certain opinions need to be substantiated, especially when they are radically different.

Bottom line here,  Big Jimmy asked me to consolidate the post, and I did. He and I HAVE spoken and gotten into interesting chats elsewhere.  Big Jimmy said what he felt, and the nature of his post wasn't to start a "gang bang" Kaplans posts.

IF someone wishes to turn this into a sophomorish food-fight, now that's funny as all hell  LOL

I type fast, say what I wish to say, the posts are thought out but if a few that come home tired and drunk don't like seeing the posts,  they can sue me  :dancin:

Try reading that seemingly long-winded post.  It does actually say something !  What are your feelings on it ?  I don't limit my posts to a specific word count.  Is that lengthy post inanity, or does it actually say something ?

Oh DANG,  this post has over 1500 words, I'm so sorry  :bigcry:

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We I have the "no clap" issue going on..it's usually as said...if it's a new singer.  It's almost like they have the 'earn their props' from the regulars, before they get a warm response....What's worse, sometimes nothing that is said by me, the KJ......make a pinch of $%&$*(% difference. Just ***silence**** after I'm done trying to scrounge up applause.

"had an older couple in there 60ish NO LIE, dancing to BODIES - Drowning Pool!."

Yes, that takes the cake.  Had a older 60ish couple dancin' the other night to requested ICP song.

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Swing and a miss.

I have seen were the WORST singer got more attention and applause ( maybe sympathyapplause) than the regular GREAT singer who sings the same songs every week  :thinkin:  :thinkin:

I think it's important to remember too, at many places not everyone there is there for karaoke.  I've got people that come in because of the pool tables or just because that's where they hang out.  It's odd, but I've found that applause comes and goes in waves.  I can get a big reaction with a simple 'Somebody scream!!!'  That seems to work everytime.

It's not a KJs responsibility to scold a pool player for not applauding a karaoke singer, but rather, it's a KJs responsibility to encourage and make the night enjoyable for everyone.  I play a couple of songs I know the crowd likes if the rotation gets light or the crowd needs a bump in the xss.  My crowd is mixed, Country, Rock, Oldies ... can't make 'em all happy all the time.  

I will always encourage the crowd to applaud and will always give the singer props regardless of the crowd's reaction.  I will sometimes demonstrate how to clap (for those who aren't familiar with the art form).  I'm a funny KJ, people say they come back just because they don't know what I'm going to say next.

Karaoke is more that just singing ... it's entertaining the crowd, and to do that effectively you have to be light on your feet.  Of course, this is different for different establishments.  We do karaoke two nights a week and there are pool tournaments two other nights a week, and free pool two other nights.  Many of my singers are really bad (despite my best sliding and twisting tricks), and they already know that.  They sing for the spotlight, not for the fame.

It used to bother me more than it does now.  It still bugs me a little bit, but not as much--especially if _I_ am having fun singing.  A lot of times people get so busy talking and socializing that they don't notice someone is singing.

On the other side of the coin, I've been to a few places where people sometimes cheer and applaud when the song starts--before the person even starts singing!

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