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*I've* tried doing that as well.. but every time I get that image, I yawn!! You can't sing and yawn at the same time. At least I can't! ol I guess it's one of those things a person could learn with vocal lessons.

That yawn thing is just to let a singer know they do the correct position all the time without even being aware.  
Just before you yawn for real, stop the yawn and hold that position.  Then practice getting to that same place just before you sing.  Sing one note and notice how easy everything feels in there.  It will motivate you to do again the next time.

It took me a while to perfect, and sometimes I still forget or am very tired and I just don't give a . . . hoot.  :)  so I get sloppy.  But once you know there is something you know that will help, you'll never sing again without thinking about it.

If you haven't seen Sister Act, you really should I didn't watch it for the longest time because I thought it would be 'silly'. It's not... it's very entertaining. I was bouncing around and singing throughout the movie. heheh

I'll give it another shot next time I'm in front of the mic.

Stephen....  DAYM man....I mean DAYMMMMMM...I mean "Oh Brother"      :read: <------dictionary.....I got to keep my online one ready just to keep up with yas...

Slow down dude ....your brain is going to explode... bring it down a tad for the rest of us dumbasses  who don't want an inferior complex because our IQ's aren't 600....mmmmkay.....


Hrmmm I only thought I knew what subbing under C meant...

Not sure if I ever want to again

I have to record my vocals sitting down in a cramped up space that is mostly uncomfortable because when I turn the AC off in the hot Texas sun, my 5th wheel becomes an oven in about 5 min.......I never recorded a sub standing up....might have to try that some day...

So right now there is no way any of my subs will ever be as good as they could be.
It is a freaking miracle if I get a track laid down that doesn't have any blatant mistakes in it...

I just wanted to know if people liked what I was doing and how I rated against everyone else.  But I can see that I will never know so I might as well stop subbing under C.

If everyone had to be Pararotti, Willie Nelson, Dire Straits, Bob Dylan and ,Tom Petty and so many others would never have sold a single album..and I like them all....even Pavarotti may he RIP

So now I know why I have 20 views and only 3 comments...most people think I suck and they just don't want to hurt my feelings by saying anything... well the truth is what it is...

No matter to me...I just like participating in something that I find some pleasure in.  There is so much pain and suffering in this world,  sometime this little diversion is the only thing that makes sense to me at times...

So as long as a few of you guys enjoy what I am doing, I will continue...

But it is getting real hard to cypher out the fluff...I don't want to be fluffed, but I don't need a disected critique either...I was born with perfect pitch...But knowing what something is supose to be and actually getting these tired, old, underdevelopes vocal chords to do are two seperate things entirely..now I have 50% hearking loss with constant ringing...so  I will never be good..

So I guess I will quit subbing under C..

Like I said before I just want to have fun...

And I am...  

PS  having said what was on my mind, I also want to say that I think this thread was a good Idea...

There is nothing wrong with you guys who want this type of a detailed Critz...i

I pick up on little things along the way from the pro's and will use them, such as changing a note or changing keys, holding your mouth open and stuff like that...Those are good things to know...

But like I said befor...know how and making it happen...two sides of the magnet

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You know what...I have NO problem with critiquing me..but I have to say two things.

1) please don't rank me low...that is just not nice. Someone keeps giving me a really low rank on some of my songs, and I wish they would STOP IT!  If no one else is going to rank me low, then you shouldn't either.  I don't have to have all tens, but there's no way my songs should be getting less than 9.8  I rarely give anyone a rank lower than that unless they are really bad, like very out of tune.

2) If you are going to critique and say something negative, the old rule about "two positive comments for one negative" should be applied.  Not just for me, but for everyone.

Thanks,


Suzanne Lanoue

this thread is for critiquing simply ask in here and one or all of em will give you their honest opinion
As to why you are only getting 3 comments, that is a different matter entirely. Let me ask you this...how many do you comment on? That is the reason your comment ratio has dropped. its called give and take...you will find that those that only take will not get many comments. We all have lives away from here but tend to attempt to set aside some time for others who have had the courtesy to listen and comment to us.
I for one tend to skip over those that dont show others the same courtesy, simply because I am flat out trying to fit everything I have to do into a day at present and dont need excess baggage.

just my 2 cents

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Vikki....

I comment on all the subs I listen too.  My post count in here is 58,,, yours is almost 4k and you have only been here a year, so I think it is safe to say you have alot of free time...I wish I had that amount of spare time.  But don't hold it against me if I can't listen to everyones subs or read every word that is written on this Forum...
You don't even know me....


I wasn't aware that my comment count has dropped I get just as many as I always did.

I wasn't complaining about getting 3 comments either.  I was just making an observation that when you get 3 comments and 20 views either 3 people love the hell outa you, or most just move on because they don't like what they are listening too..  I believe it is the latter...and that is ok too...

I was just saying I didn't really understand what C was for, and you come off to me like wtf are you doing in this thread....

I can understand that alot of people including yourself take your singing real serious....that is fine...what ever floats your boat...

But Steven was right....we artists are a sensitive lot and I don't want to get in the middle of a war with words like I have been hearing about.  Although I have not read enough to run across any yet.....

Everyone has always been real nice and courteous to me and I have always tried to be courteous back.  And that is the way I would like to keep it.. ...

I don't plan on taking karaoke that serious any time soon...I get enough stress from my job to worry about anything else...

 have a nice day

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1. you took me wrong, my "this is a thread for critique" comment was to encourage you to ask in here if you felt you were not getting a fair go and truthful comments on SS, it was certainly never meant to sound like you were not welcome...on the contrary apologies if that is how it came across
2. sure some times of the year I have down times and have the luxury of time but this aint that time...its now 1.30am and I have to be on the road by 8.30.
3. what I said bout comments I have the time to elaborate on. anyone can listen to songs but unless you are actually registered member you cannot comment on songs
some times there can be over 100 guests viewing this site (over and above the members) so that can explain why you have 20 listens.
and finally 4. Stop being paranoid

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

fair enough.... But I have visited some sites where people could be pretty mean spirited...One can not always tell how to take something in text on the internet, you don't see any facial expressions and can't hear the tone in peoples voices.  

Good point about the non members, I hadn't really thought about those...

You will never know though,  how difficult it was for me to bare your soul and sub songs in here...so geme a break...

I do know what you mean about staying up too late..

Yesterday I was up till 1:00 and the alarm was going to be hollering at me at 5:00
So after putting in a 14hr work day and finishing up my daily duties at home, I did manage to find a couple hrs to do some reading in here post after everyone had gone to sleep....

Perhaps I was just a little tired and not so much being paranoid..so... sorry about taking you wrong....

So enough of this jibberish...

You guys continue on with the CritZ and have fun..

Murlin the unintentional hijacker....

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Whoa.. wait a sec... Pavarotti is DEAD?!?!? oh no!!



Well yeah, that is what the 'just for fun' category is for. You're right, subbing under C to see how you compare and how much people like your songs is pretty much useless. Even the few people who might give you an honest rank can't agree on how to do it, so while I might give you a 7 (and think you did a pretty decent, but not great job), Kappy might give you a 4 (and think you did a pretty decent, but not great job) and most people are going to give you a 9 or 10 regardless of what they really think.

Just sing for fun and enjoy the comments you get from folks unless you really want feedback and a detailed critique because most of the time you probably won't get the critique, but sometimes you will.

Hey Suzanne.

Well, it's not me ranking down your subs, I don't think I've ranked one of yours since I've come back.. BUT, I can't promise I won't.

I'm not out to hurt people's feelings, but if you sub under C, you just have to take your chances with getting lower ranks and I'm sorry sweety, but there are VERY VERY few singers on this site who rarely deserve less than 9.8 (or even 8-9). I certainly don't count myself among them either.

What you rank another member should have no bearing on what your own songs are ranked. I rarely rank anymore, but I reserve the right to do it and if a person subs under C, they can't reasonably say "Yeah, rank me.. but only 9-10!" That kind of defeats the purpose. If you really don't want ranking, low or otherwise, you should start just posting under JFF. You can still say that your sub is open for critique in your song description if you want that, but no way can you post in C and get upset when your score drops below 9.8. Sorry gal.

I honestly don't know why you wouldn't be getting more comments. Your subs are no worse than most people and I believe I've heard at least one of yours that I thought was pretty darned good.

I comment TONS and have never gotten tons of comments back (mostly because a lot of folks just don't like me... but I doubt that's the problem you have).

He he he.....I don't get around much anymore. I actually forgot about the singer's forum.  :wave:

Critique? What the hell's that?  LOL

Us crappy singers don't need critique. And I know when I'm being fluffed. It doesn't bother me, I just wanna be friends with everyone. It is tough to find the right words to say if another friend's sub isn't so great in JFF, but to over-glorify is really unnecessary.
Just say....Hi So&So....I really enjoyed your fine sounds tonight. Take care. No exclamation points are needed.

What I don't understand is, why would the best singers in SS want to be critiqued when they already know they are the best?

Drama? Joining a band in the near future? Family doesn't support your efforts?

It's funny I mentioned that.

I was intoxicated one evening when my bro stopped by. He's never really heard my karaoke stuff before, so I handed him a homemade cd just for the hell of it.
I don't know if he ever really listened to it? But no matter. If I died tomorrow, atleast he would have something to remember........that I wasn't a very good singer. That could be haunting!

I asked him later what he thought of my crappy cd and he said....uhhhhh....it was alright.

I've also noticed that when a singer in SS asks for critique, there really aren't many comments. Probably because nobody wants to go there is all.
I comment on critique subs sometimes, but I have no right to critique......I can't even hear my own stuff that well. And I don't give a rank unless I know it was a drop dead performance, and then it's a 10.....no under-qualified 7's or 8's.

I think everyone in SS who's ever listened to my stuff in JFF can feel confident that any well meaning advice would be well received also.

When I listen to someone, minor flaws don't really get my motor mouth running. A song can be enjoyable even with flaws, so saying something nice in JFF isn't always fluffing.

That's fine Perry. If a person doesn't want a critique, it's easy enough to post in JFF instead.



Well, some of them do, some of them don't. The really good singers who do want critique, want it for the same reason that I would assume the not so great singers do... they see room for improvement in their singing and they're hoping for feedback to help make that happen.



You have just as much a 'right' to critique anyone who puts their sub up for critique as anyone else, as long as you're honest with what you say.

WOW..

I have some SERIOUS reading to do.. That being said, I'm glad this thread is still going..

I will add to this as I read back but so-far (reading current back)


Negative ?  What is Negative about honest critique assuming you ask for it ?
I really think this needs to be defined because when I get a critique I not only hear what is acceptable,  but MOST of what I am told is what is problematic and can be improved. That goes without saying by definition.. In telling me what can be improved upon THAT is how I grow as an artist... Not by copious back scratches
If honesty hurts peoples feelings, they don't wish to ask for a broad spectrum Critique, they must be specific and state what they wish for out've the Critique instead. Similarly, I RESPECT it when I am typing in here, and a person ANYONE corrects my spelling, or composition technique.  Because it helps me, doesn't matter IMHO how it doesn't make me appear erudite... In the real world we are ALL up against tough odds in our craft..  Mine is music, not writing of course, I don't really like writing (believe it or not) BUT since the Internet is now a main way people communicate, I need to adapt.. So like music, those at the receiving end have a right to not just hear music composition presented well, but see composotion in general presented well because in the REAL WORLD we are judged honestly, and singers showcase is NOT the real world...

Suzanne. ALL concepts and Critique theory such as that MUST be stated. We can't expect people that have not had schooling in this area to know critique theory methodology such as that MUST be discussed because it's helpful.. I know of the up down-up method, but there are loads of methods I dont know about so PLEASE share..

I know how MOST in singers showcase feel about rank, and this is the problem with the current  systems misleading unreal ranking system.. When even a rank of 7 os considered "negative", there's a real problem in a system... Realisitically NONE of you who have sub'd SO many songs can be a 9.8 out 10.. Given a 50 sub total how can even the BEST singer reasonably be a 9.0 average when they experiment with many different genres ?

But yes,  Singers Showcase is "A nice place" so rank should not be a 10 scale if everything lower than a 9 hurts feelings.

Of course in THIS THREAD, the rule is HONEST CRITIQUE only... If a person doesn't want to hear what THEY construe to be negative.  They have every right to state that within their description body by stating what it is they wish from the Critique.
Remember.  When people say something such as

"Critique my song"

That is NEBULOUS... It leaves itself open for constructive commentary across the board... Whereby assuming a person does not wish to feel vulnerable.. They have options even within a critique category...Simply by stating WHAT THEY WANT out've the critique.

Example, How I present myself was not a choice.. My writing skills were critiqued constantly by those who felt... "If you present it, people JUDGE YOU in accordance to your presentation"

Meaning there's a difference (assuming a person cares) between these two ways of expressing the same thought

1) DeWD!  MAN U Rewll  fersher... Awsum +++++++

2) I really enjoyed what I heard.  Nice job !

I know how I prefer to come across,  but the rest is subjective.

My point:   Whether it's a persons singing on display, or typed composition, there are others at the receiving end of what we produce.. and out've courtesy such individuals NEVER deserve junk. There's some truth to "All the worlds a stage" when a person has had a grueling performing arts upbringing. Realistically, Critique is FOR the performer... The shower singer that never wishes to perform should no ask for critique... It simply doesn't matter how he sounds

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"C" is not Comments.   Critique is for those that wish to take their singing to a higher level. When a person asks for Critique, it is disrespectful to be dishonest to them.  It SHOULD be assumed that they are asking for something they understand the meaning of. hence, are stating their honest wants/needs.

At the VERY least, "Critique" should mean to both parties involved "What do you HONESTLY think of how I performed that?"   That doesn't give the individual offering an opinion license to bash.. However, it's inexcusable to lie, or expect lies given the Critique setting.



Realistically, How can we rank ANY aspect of ourselves against "everyone else" ?
If I wish to compare my singing ability to what I hear when I listen to "Boston" I am up against tough odds.  Problem is I DO in fact compare myself to just that.. My own standards of what I wish for myself as a vocalist.  For that reason currently I am a "1-2" average who is trying very hard to improve..  We don't and can not compare to "Everyone else" without stating with specificity exactly what it is we use as criteria for comparison.  IN a setting such as showcase, realistically there ARE some polished professional level vocalists. People falsely believe "If a person is that good they'd be out doing it professionally", but that is NOT reality, the reality is MOST of talent exists in the amateur realm for numerous reasons. MOST, CAN NOT be "out singing in such an environment" when taking into consideration other aspects of lifestyle. There's more talent than professional positions in the artistic world. Especially considering the life-style the pro must endure.. lifestyle of a professional IS NOT conducive to those that live certain lifestyles currently. some decided to support a family, settle down, some of us were professionals touring and flipped out... It stands to reason that the best around would also gravitate to sites such as Singers Showcase.. So realistically, MOST who request to know "How they compare to all else" are setting themselves up for an answer that will more than likely REALISTICALLY be at best...  "Average"

Reason being, some IN singers showcase have more talent, or are BETTER vocalists than almost all of what we hear on current pop radio. and, Given ability to do "retakes" and edit, expectedly better than MOST you would hear in nightclubs at any given time. That must NOT be forgotten.
Expectation of showcase singers are minimized.. There are in fact those better than what you will hear in the current professional realm, because such takes can be polished before posting them..

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Two awesome posts, Steven!! Very well stated.

Seriously,  I was VERY heavily critiqued regarding ALL presentation because presentation is judged ( as a kid growing up).. EVEN chatroom posts.  I'm not a "writer", nor do I enjoy typing. But similar to the showcase, it was instilled in me that anything worth presenting, must be presentable. This never mattered to me when I was in my 20's and 30's either..  I realize as an older person, just how judgmental and critical most actually are in the world... and THAT'S what bothers me about the message Showcase is sending to some that truly do wish to know where they stand as "singers", and SHOULD have the right to improve knowing realistically NONE of us are the best, and NONE of us will ever be the best ever, it's OK not to be a 9 or a 10 and still love doing it, and in my case,  it's OK to not even be a 3 but still love doing it as long as I know where I stand there will never be conflict in something I'm interested in.. FOR THIS REASON ALONE... Critique is a good thing.. How can you improve if what matters so much to you is clinging on to your misguided fantasy score of near perfection ?  That's the conflict between Singers Showcase and this thread.. This thread is NOT for those happy with the Fluffique Category in the Showcase,  this is for those that wish to know how they REALLY sound.. and let me tell you... MANY of you at best are a 4-6 average in the real world given 50 submitted songs if rated with and among those that wish to call themselves "Singers".. If you can't accept that, you shouldn't be asking for a critique in THIS particular thread...Because although this is not a "Rank" thread. Those who ask for Critique in here must be willing to accept that they need some work.. The only reason a person should ask for Critique is defined within the definition of the process.

You know you aren't a 9 or a 10 but if for some reason you are told you are.. YOU ARE DAMN GOOD !!!!!!  :worship:  :worship:

and that's the beauty in the real world of being an 8+ ranking singer... If you ARE an averaged 8 given 100 songs, you are a near singing God !!!!

Seby,  this is my philosophy regarding the "Showcase".. When you submit your singing, you aren't rated as an "average person", you are being listened to in an atmosphere where you are SINGING among some that truly are BRILLIANT singers... While it's FINE to be a 2, 3, 5, 6, 9 and it DOESN'T and shouldn't matter, the reality is the GOOD singers are still 7+, and in the showcase many that are 9.6 are being laughed at in the real world...

REALITY:  and face it.. It's crass I know... But put a nice 9 score on a sucky singer, it only makes it more evident that they are sucky and deluding themselves in the real world... Again, I emphasize,  Showcase is FINE for those that like what they get out've it.. But it's VERY scary to think MOST that are 9's in the showcase in the real "singing" realm truly believe they aren't getting talked about..:Like it or not, that's fact.  If I submit a song saying "OK I suck, but I enjoy singing" that's fine.. If I try to compete with vocalists such as ANY of you currently in here, I make complete babyish fool out've myself because MOST of you so-far that have posted in here are better singers than me.. I'm not putting myself down,  I'm stating and accepting what IS.. and looking forward to LEARNING to sing... Nothing wrong with being realistic.. It CAN be a good thing !!!

Music and our ability to do our thing in a musical atmosphere means MORE than "Just Karaoke" for some of us.  Karaoke serves as the VEHICLE we use to deliver what we enjoy which is Music, as an artform retaining a certain amount of integrity.. and we reserve the right to wish to improve, and to improve involves CRITIQUE. To exist within Crituque setting involves HUMILITY.  (This means turning what some currently call "negative" into a different term. PRODUCTIVE)

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