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Phil,
I like it all already.. now just to get ppl to honestly rank ALL the songs would be nice.

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Brian D.
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You are right...

It is really ridiculous. There are some folks on there just passing out the 10's. I may just take away the ranking altogether. Ranking is to provide your honest opinion. Not for a popularity contest.

I have seen some songs that hardly deserve a 5 get 10s. The sad thing is there are people that have submitted songs that are well worth a 10+. These people are robbed of their well deserved level. Because those who have ranked these poorly performed songs, just beliitle the really well performed songs.

I am wondering if I should set it up so that only certain members can provide a rank. Leave it open for comments but remove the ranking for everyone else.

The problem is, how does one determine which of the members should be the ones to provide the rank?

In the meantime, it will remain as it is...

Phill

I would have to agree on some points here, but what some may feel is a good performance other's may not... opinions vary... Who is to judge what is good or not? One of my songs got a 0 and a 10... in truth it prob deserved a 5 if that, The 10 was given by someone I didnt even know so was the 0... people should give honest opinion, therefore helping singer to do better, but only the listener knows if they like what they hear.. I would have to agree there are an awful lot of 10's over there


Just my thoughts......

:: FYI ::

A "0" (zero) isn't calculated in the overall ranking. That is a non-rank.

When someone decides not rank you will receive a zero. If 9 people decided not to rank (just comment) a submission and 1 person gave you a ten your overal rank would be a 10. Otherwise, if it were averaged your rank would be a 1.

However, if 5 people gave you a five and 5 people gave you a ten. Your rank would be 7.5
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I fully agree that it is up to the individual to determine what is "good" in their opinion. The point I am attempting to make is that when the song is compared to other submissions it may not fair as well. When giving a rank, I think people should consider that.

Thanks for explaining about the ranking... All I was getting at is that one person liked my song the other found it horrid...lmao. (They told me so.) I fully understand what you mean by ranking songs compared to others submitted. Have a great day!

Phill,

LET THE ADMIN Decide who is worthy of being ranked...

In all fairness.. being that most the singers can't figure it out for thier own.

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Brian D.
(BHB)

I rank only if I have to. Now that we have the option not to rank then I will not rank. But that does not mean I will not leave any comments if I have the time.
For my own sub. I am more keen to read the comments . I can take bad and frank comments from people who are willing to listen to my sub. Just point to me the weak parts in my singing so that I can improve. I come to learn. The rank are just numbers, meaningless numbers.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Taking away the rankings will hurt this site immensely, IMHO.

fickle (adjective): marked by lack of steadfastness, constancy, or stability : given to erratic changeableness

That one word perfectly describes the aspects of any kind of site that uses public opinion, such as this one. One person's opinion is gonna be inherently different from someone else's. There's no way around it. What may be a 10 for me might not be for someone else. That's life. Everyone has an opinion, just ask!

Here is what I look for when judging:
- performance (subjective) - close to the original, unique? overall impression
- tone - general overall pitch tone of singer
- timing - general feel for the tempo
- range - high & low vocal quality thru song
- production - effective use of FX & overall sound quality
- emotion - singer's emotional projection
- improvement - from song to song

I only judge rock/pop submissions 'cause the rest puts me to zzzzzz I also have to say that not every score of 8 that I give (just an example) is the same. I guess it's just the KJ in me. Every singer is different; some good, alot bad. But that doesn't mean I have to constantly embarrass the bad ones with bad scores. There is no record contract to be won here. People are here to have fun, not be abused. Bad singers can have good scores simply for the effort & successfully doing just some of the things on the above list reasonably well. Tone and range are important but not only things to look for. Improvement is very big as well & should be rewarded appropriately. If there was a more rigid score system, alot of people who think they are good would be hurt by the scores given out to them. Besides, it's ALL subjective. Remember that.

Enjoy the site!

Sheree,
I have recorded every one of the 4 I have put up on the showcase in a studio. MYSELF!!! with all the bells and whistles.. Guess what???

The best one was done in a hotel room with a karaoke system on a notebook.. Go figure! The other one was not judged.. some bunch of singers!!!

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Brian D.
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Sheree,
I totally Agree, Being a "Competition Judge" & Singer in many competitions not only in the past but also reciently, and someone who has been in the PROFESSIONAL music industry and works with Industry Professionals continiously.. I believe a 10 should be reserved for a song that meets a criteria of: being technically correct in recording, vocals on tempo. vocals on key, Correct amount of effects (Subjective), And enjoyable. The song should be judged with a clear mind as far as Genra is concerned. and should also be judged as far as degree of diffaculty as far as the amount of background vocals that are in the track.. the more backing vocals in the track the easier the song is to sing and judge.

That is my theory behind a perfectly submitted song.

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Brian D.
(BHB)

That's just it Brian .... your criteria is different and probably much harsher than "joe public" ..... and frankly ... the opinion I am MOST interested in IS "joe public" ...... so it all averages out. I AM joe public! I usually LOVE the movies the critics hate ... and hate the one's they love ... so I don't have much use for them! My feeling is the more people that comment on my song the better! Not so much the number (score) .... because it means I am doing something right. My highest rated song has the lowest amount of comments ..... which tells me something right there. I would never say that I deserve the scores I get .... but I sure can't complain! I'm not now, nor will I ever be a professional singer (at least not in "the biz") ... but I think I have a pretty good idea after submitting over 30 songs on the net, that "joe public" like's what I do ... I enjoy the process and I love the great responses I get! I'd be lying if I said otherwise! Isn't that what it's all about? The public? We are not trying to impress any experts here ... If we had "experts" come here and tear each performance to pieces .... I would be one of the first to leave! I have no use for it! I surely respect your criteria Brian just as I respect anybody's ..... but I think we are making way to much out of the scores .... there will NEVER be consistancy as long as EVERYBODY can vote on whatever song they want .....so .... the few singer's who get your vote will suffer a lower score than the rest.... and the one's with one vote of 10 go to the top of the "highest rated singers" list. :wink:

Sheree,
They only problem is the singers on this board know that I don't have alot of free time on my hands.. But I also am not going to intentionally going to "shark" them on points. I do tell them like it is, as I would be producing or engineering thier own CD's. They want "Honesty" that's exactly what they get.. I'll definately give it to them from the heart.

No games played here.

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Brian D.
(BHB)

Woohoo! Me and Brian ... goin' at it! Just like old times!Hehehe! Well, I certainly don't expect you to rate every song here ... that is impossible! But you see what I'm sayin'? The score's could NEVER be fair with no consistancy.

BTW, some of the most talented singers were told by "experts" that they should give it up and go home. So, I feel the MORE opinions you have, the better! That's the only point I'm making here ... I surely don't want you to lie! Lawd!!!!!! I wouldn't expect anything less than the truth from you Brian!

I hate to caboose my own post here but I wanted to add something ..... kind of changing the subject a bit.

The whole point here is this is a "website" .... I beleive if you want this site to grow and prosper, it should appeal to the public in general. My feeling is that what create's a great site is the friendships and good feelings people have coming here. Why else would they want to return? Why does a site become addictive? Because people have a good experience when they come here and they develop friendships. I think more should be focused on that aspect and less on judging .... we are a community of people with the same passion, we should not be at odds with each other over scores and opinions ... we should be developing bonds and sharing thoughts ... just another lil ol opinion!

WOW!

Well spoken (well, written) there Sher...

I agree, the site is about fun and enjoyment.

My point was that "10's" seemed to be "given out like candy" as you put it. I have received emails upon emails from people complaining that some gave them a ten and someone else gave them (let's say a five)

I think a ten is perfection. I find it rare to have perfection, but I have heard a few that are dang close!

BTW - tell your "buddy" dumbdrums to stop back by! Let him know he is missed

Phill

Sheree,
There are So few Professionals here as far as the music industry goes.. and the Admin sure isn't going to rate the singers. and as far as the ratings go .. it's really all subjective. I try to be point blank blunt but not so critical that people need to go back to school to be recording engineers.

I know that very few People are TRUE professionals and have the exiperence to be "Well Rounded" also Know All , and be able to do it all with ease. If so, what are they doing, I lack skills that others in here have, but I may have in knowlege that most may have developed in talent.

So I consider it a wash.

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Brian D.
(BHB)

I agree .... it's a wash. It is what it is. Here ... we are ALL equal. That's what's so great about the Internet ... it's put up or shut up. I've heard some professional's that quite frankly can't hold a candle to some amateur's I've heard. I believe the Internet is blazing new trails and the "Big Music Corporations" along with many other fields (Movie Industry etc.)are sweating! We are creating a NEW industry here .... As far as not having many pro's here .... well ... I'm not familiar with a lot of the people here, as I only visit occassionally these days ... but I'm sure they will start turning up .... they always do. I know for a FACT many "pro's" do listen. I always respect every opinion I hear, whether they are in the biz or not! Regarding "recording engineering" .... I think it would be great to have a place in the forum for people to be directed to for tips on that! I know CanPanther started one on Cool Edit .... it should either be "Pinned" or put in a special place for future referrence .... people could add their own tips as well ... that way a person can simply be told to check out that particular thread for tips.