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No i'm going by personal experiences, listening to others on this & many others I frequent including Pro-sound boards & recording boards & friends that work at Guitar Center locally among a few other local stores that I know people at and (ESPECIALLY Guitar Center) tell me they have Behringer products return on the highest ratio over ANY other product in the store, but they continue to sell because people think they can get the good stuff for cheap & if there someone has to return something NOT knowing their quality & rep, then so be it, eventually they WILL find one that works.  But as far as "Pro" sound engineers using Behringer, that you do not see too often, at least those that strive for quality sound.

But it doesn't matter, you use them and are lucky with them & like their sound - great - your opinion, I have used them & have NEVER had any luck with them & feel they aren't all that great of a product - my opinion - that be that!

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You can also minimize your chances of getting "crap equipment" MUCH of the time assuming you research the market you are buying in, and are willing to spend what it takes to limit such odd's. When you see high percentages of reviewers slamming a product line ALL over the internet, yet VERY few inversely saying "Save your money on the Mackie junk, buy the Behringer it's equally as durable and costs 1/2 as much" why is this ?  Why don't we read, "save your money, why buy A&H when you can get an equal product with Behringer" ?   Assuming that were true, I'd read more review's stating that. I see NUMEROUS review's where pro musicians might say for just gigging, why pay 4X the price getting a Gibson LP now-adays ?  Save the money and put Duncan Aftermarket PU's in the Epiphone LP custom model because the last few years haven't been good for Gibson HOWEVER, I don't see sound people raving Behringer is the more practical product to get at 1/2 the price of Mackie, so don't bother with the expense of the Mackie product line, it's not worth the additional expense...Why don't I read that ?.. Granted, I've seen the list of artist's that use Behringer, A few I've even heard of.. Yet have you seen the list of artist's that use Mackie ?  Pretty impressive ?  In an apples to apples comparison, naturally I'd LOVE to save money, yet ONLY when comparing apples to apples.  Now personally, although it might sound as if I'm dissing a company I have no knowledge of, I'm not.. I am asking questions based on what I've seen browsing the internet, certain feelings on product's seem quite universal given number of reviewers. What we see here in KS is really a microcosm of other's feelings elsewhere.regarding the "buying Mackie vs. Behringer product line".. Meaning that, you MIGHT get a decent product with Behringer, but it's a "grab bag" situation, (at least that's how this appears). I'm trying to find out what's what shopping for digital sound equipment and have been doing ALOT of reading and comparing..I want to make the right choice, so naturally I'm willing to spend what I HAVE to spend, in hopes of limiting my odd's of being another unhappy customer that is at the receiving end of the DOA product.  Willingness to spend more often DOES get you more product, and more POMG. I know this as fact in my own particular market, yet you MUST know your market to know about certain intricacies of buying, and that can take MANY years exposure, and a few "hard-knocks" episodes. As to when a person must spend more, and how much more they must be willing to spend for their particular application, this is where I find it to get tough.. There's ALOT of intricate componentry inside small cases these days, and even though you might hear the ocassional "Stay away from these folks, they are crooks",  WHY do so many spend a few extra bucks and buy Dell and Gateway and Apple systems ?  I'd love nothing more than to believe that "the least expensive is sometimes the best product", but in my own life experiences the adage "Sometimes the price appears too good to be true, and there's a good reason for that" is what actually comes out've the wash, not "you can get crap anywhere".. Of course you can, If it isn't crap, the UPS football team will often convert it to crap in transit, yet barring that event...Some products ARE better than other's and worth spending additional bucks on..

Given the choice between buying two products that essentially sound the same, I'd rather pay more for the product I will likely still have in 15 years, and NOT the disposable item...that becomes a ping-pong game with the my home--->repair shop---> home---> repair shop with lemon decals---->home--->item get's launched thru living room window.

If there's a flaw in my logic, I'd love to hear it.  I DO want to believe I can spend a lower price, knowing upon arrival odd's are no less I'll be dissatisfied years down the road, when compared to the more costly product. Some occurances regarding dissatisfaction percentages are just too high to be statistically sound in the "equally as good product-line".

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Well there are a lot of Behringers sold around here with none coming back.  Ours has been in use on average of 6+ shows a week for 52 weeks of the year for the past 5-6 years and still going strong.

Be care of people who dis companies.  There are many here who say Voco-Pro is crap and readily admit they've never used it and other owners who are quite happy.

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Clearly there are many people like you and I that don't know what we are talking about. I started using Behringer in about '96 and haven't used a different mixer since.

I had one Behringer fail.....1832FX-PRO....The power supply smoked, so I gave it to an electronics tech and told him if he could fix it, he could keep it....I've had lots of electrical/electronic stuff fail out here in the woods where the power is always taking hits due to storms and such....So I ain't sure if it was Behringer's fault of mine for not having it surge protected.

That's why I was quick to dis my other Behringer when I thought it died last week.

I will say this, tho....The new 1222FX-PRO is lots better quality than my old 1832...It uses top quality sliders and pots now...And it is totally silent even with every channel at unity and the FX cranked to same....The 1832 FX was noisey when at unity, but not the 1222.

Beside that, no one else, and I mean no one makes a mixer better suited for the typical KJ...The 1222 has exactly the features most KJ's need....Separate monitor slider, separate CD+G slider, 4 stereo inputs, inserts, mutes including global mute, low cuts, decent FX, rack ears, full metering, even their version of a BBE, AND VOICE CANCEL switch that works really well......All for $179 and free shipping....If I had to do it again, all I would have done is added $16 bucks for free replacement warranty that's good for 3 years.

I was going to buy the Mackie CFX for 500 bucks, but it was seriously lacking in those extra features....It may have sounded lots better once I got it and tested it, but it would have to have to be several times beter sounding to make up for the lost features and low price compared to the Behringer.

Keith
I agree, the Behringer 122FX is a great little mixer for Karaoke.
Plenty of Inputs, on board effects, surround sound, feedback detection, low miid and high channel eq plus a 7 band eq on the main.  That being said ...

There should be no argument that the products from Mackie are of a higher quality than the equipment from Behringer.  This doesn't mean that Behringer is JUNK.
For typical KJ applications and mobile DJ work , Behringer products are affordable and packed with many features only found on equipment costing 3x as much.
Selecting pro-audio comes down to 2 things --Your Budget and your needs.
If I need a pickup truck to haul some stuff I can buy a Ford or I could buy the LINCOLN Pick up costing twice as much ..... Is the Lincoln better ...Probably made with higher grade components ...Better ?????  It's personal taste. aLL MFGS have their share of lemons

That's just it, I haven't actually heard the Mackie. Who's to say what I would say about it if i had.....But there is no way I accept that there is "...No argument that the Mackie is better" until I do compare it.

Man, they are all (affordable rackable mixers)made in Chi-wan now a days anyway, so are we just fools fighting over brand loyality?

I got extra $$ to tinkle off.....I buy n sell or give away MI gear all the time....It's  a fun hobby for me and I like to share it with others and i really like it when they come back with their impression of it...I really like it when I discover a piece of bargain priced gear that seems neglected or ignored cause everyone else is playing the brand loyality game.

I like the way Lonman endorses Carvin stuff. He calls it like it is and he backs it up with experience comparing it with other brands. He don't just spout about it cause he paid lots of money for it and refuses to admit he made a mistake.

I paid 1200 bucks for a pair of Impulse 500 powered subs and a 300 for a first generation kosmos....They were junk and I gave them away.....The Kosmos to a stranger, and the subs to my cousin.....Peavey stopped making the subs 6 months after they were introduced but they still make the kosmos....And lots of folks are buying it and wasting their $$ on it....Then they introduce the kosmos pro at twice the price and expect me to buy it?....No way.

You cannot even get into agreement with yourself. Why don't you make up your mind on the products you seemingly have used before. Here you stated:

And here...................???????????
How the (@$%&#!) does your brain work? You just endorsed the Kosmos in the following places, and don't tell me I am full of it, because these are your quotes.

There you go again Allstar..............Man, it's getting old you sniping at me.

I'll tell this one last time-you come get all you think you want of me....I got plenty of it.

You've made it a habit to go out of your way and butt into my conversations, and you always do it like you hate me and just want to sneak in a blind shot. I ain't never yet picked you out or anyone here for the same.

Come get you some big mouth. You better ask around before you do cause I don't want you thinking it will be easy.

Oh...and put your shirt on...That pic of you in your profile page makes all men look bad.

I'm sure you have it all. Now, do you agree with my previous post or not? Did you make contradictionary statements or not?


Nope, I don't hate you, I just want to point a few issues out. You think you know everything and I don't like that attitude. We can all learn from other, you, on the other hand, not.





That's what most men look like  LMAO , big old gut hanging out.

That's Funny...... I ain't got no big gut hanging out....I guess I don't look like most men.

 I know the 1832FX had some issues with power supplies.  had a firend that went through 2 of those mixers, was given a loaner 1622FX and it worked fine, but he went back to a CRATE mixer, cause that is what his other unit had.   I have a 1622FX, and like it execpt for the effects, i much prefer using an Alesis Midiverb II cause it has buttons and not dials and menus

I love my 1622FX, i have 4 stereo channels, and 4 MONO mic channels, 2 sends and returns

I will say this bad thing about behringer - their manuals SUCK!!!!!  I have yet to take mine out of the baggie it came in, it is of NO HELP.     Now a mackie manual is like mixers for dummies (rumor has it, it was written by a writer of a dummies book)

I agree on the Mackie manual. I downloaded it to check it out before I bought.

Parts of it were actually funny...The guy has a sense of humor fersure.

I've yet to find any mixer manual that really explained things well for the first time user and then remained a valued ref as he gained experience....Some MI gear manuals are so bad, you never get past just plugging it in the wall without scratching yer head.

it seems anything by mackie has that sense of humor, from the sales brochures to their manuals

Google Mackie forum........

As a broadcast engineer of both as tv and fm stations I went thru the period of Sony and others taking over the industy.  The original interpratations from japanese to engish left something to be desired. For example screw would be spelled  scew
A basic manual should describe the controls what they do. Basic capabilities and capabilitis.  It sounds like you are  reaching into your glove box and expecting a complete drivers training course (It is assumed that most readers have a basic knowledge)