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Excellent point man!  We should be able to flag or potentially even block members from viewing subs if they are pointed out as a problem.  Much like the AIM Warning levels and block system.  Very good point indeed!

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People see what I meant!!!

Well, I WAS going to suggest that everyone go to the offender's profile and make comments on his latest sub to the effect that 'empty comments' are NOT ok...

HOWEVER... strangely, I went to look at the comments he has made and not a single one showed up 'empty'. Odd...

Were those subs removed then? Or am I hallucinating?

Again, I think we should direct Phill to these last few posts in the effort to get the 'anonymous ranking' thing changed. Submitters should be able to see what they are being ranked. I know I, for one, would still not hesitate to rank honestly if the submitter could see the rank.

Perhaps a new thread should be started on that point?

one of the singers I'm talking about did... she removed over ten of her online songs ...

jeez... that sucks

I've noticed people actually mentioning in others submissions, their dislike of rank given by the person they are mentioning this too, A few make it quite obvious that they are bribing a person, and angry.  Very few, but some do bribe, and exploit the system. I see nothing wrong with pointing out obvious retaliatory antics. There are two that I've noticed that play this game recently. I don't submit songs in SS,  yet still feel this is shady behaviour.

well, I sub songs on SS, but do the "just for fun" because there is ALWAYS some rat that wants to ruin everything for everyone else. And this is stuff done on purpose! I used to get ticked off on the obvious favortism, but this crap is just unreal!

There's GOT to be a way to make it more honest!

Agreed Matt. For this reason I would likely submit under "J" or "L".  Even these antics aside,  I think people that are sensitive to what others have to say should also submit in "J" or "L".  

It's pretty sad when a site that is designed for fun and constructive sharing, experiences this type of activity. People just don't seem to get it. THIS IS FOR FUN.
Perhaps Phill should put something in the FAQ's "Miserable people looking for scapegoats join elsewhere"

I think whenever a person takes some effort to mix, and share something of theirs that they take pride in, a certain amount of ego goes along with that.  They trust those listening not to chop their heads off once they make the decision to stick their neck out abit and submit their voice.

I've always likened some of the behaviour that goes on behind the anonymity of the internet to "road rage". Certain people sitting in the comfort of their living rooms forget, or just don't care about the person on the other end.  Maybe doing away with the anonymity in the rank section is the best way to keep it somewhat honest.

Besides the "spam and abusive email" section of the FAQ topic.  Does this site have a "Terms of Service" description ?   Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, yet I don't see one that show's up readily.


I realize Phill has posted this in the registration agreement:



Yet maybe there needs to be more particulars regarding SS behaviour, in that particular site ?

"Malicious, or rataliatory behaviour will not be allowed" ?

I finally had the time to review the latest posts related to ranking people at SS. My opinion has changed; earlier I said that the current ranking system works fine. Now I think that it works fine otherwise, but commenting should be required whenever someone gives a ranking. One good reason for that is, that I like to keep track on new comments on my subs. Therefore I reply to every comment and whenever a blank comment screen appears I would have to "talk to the walls" in order to check that comment away from the "new" comments' list. Which is obviously not fun.

Btw I also agreed that it would be a good idea to make all ranks visible to the one that gets them, but since Phil already turned that idea down, I'll be ok with or, better said, without it.

jee

Above is what Jee was referring to.

In the begining (as some members may recall), each rank was displayed. One of the reasons that we finally decided to not display them is for many of the things that are being stated in this thread. People would see that someone gave them a low rank and would then they would give that person a low rank as a retaliation. Then others would do the same.

In order to avoid this we removed the visiblity of each rank. I have also created it so that you may not change the rank originally given. If you did not rank the sunbmission originally, you may do so later (if of course the submittor permits ranking.)

Further, as stated in the above quote: I am looking into making it required for someone to enter comments.

Steven - I am working on a new complete 'Terms of Service' for Singer's Showcase. Something that will be indepth.

The website owners and I do appreciate everyones feedback and input. We do review and discuss these issues and attempt to figure if it would be a benefit to the site. However, not all ideas will be implemented.

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Thanks phill

Ah well, it was worth a try.

Personally I don' tthink the ranking and comments should be linked because it would result in fewer rankings.  Some people don't like to comment.  Sooner or later we're going to wind up here with just people listening and NO comments or ranking!

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I'm afraid I completely disagree with you there Suzanne...

Its only a rare occasion that people rank without giving a comment...

Fine some comment without ranking, but not vice versa...

Unless I'm SORELY mistaken...!

Brett x

Brett said it. So far the only non-commenters I have seen have been snipers (and I mean those ones that snipe downwards as in '1', not upwards as in an unjustified '10'). In any case, if this change would make snipers' work more difficult, I'm a go for it.

It seems like ranking without comments is not actually possible, because the when giving a rank without text, the comments screen appears anyway, although it's blank. To me that feels like I'm being said things like "I have an opinion but I you don't need to hear it" or "This was kinda boring and I don't really care. Hmm was it good? Yes, ok it's a 10. Did it suck? Darn right it did, let's give'im a 1.". For me, both examples are undesired because I especially am interested in the comments before the rank. I use the rank (nowadays) only for comparing my own subs at some degree so it's not all that important.

jee

Wouldn't it be nice if more that submit in SS took a little time to read these boards, and get to see that behind some of the singing voices there are humans that bleed when they get cut.

Whether or not this should be the case is moot.  People have feelings. Artists have ego's.

And some people just don't give a dang that the people they are cutting are humans that bleed Steven...

I've been subjected to that before.. the guy and I kept exchanging comments and he knew I was upset.. didn't matter.. he kept up for a couple more rounds... then poof gone as mysteriously as he came.

Well, several people have said here that they don't always leave comments because they don't know what to say or feel that what they've got to say is repeating what everyone else has said.  Personally, I would rather have the comments than the ranking, but I like both.

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