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Pretty much right on, Rumbolt ( and I loved the "keycahange" )...


Yes, Ryan HAS made a start there. However, I was referring specifically to the e-mail. One wouldn't know or believe much about karaoke was included based on the amount of attention given ( the word "karaoke" showed up once ) in the e-mail. I brought this up in regard to the promotion of the event, not the event itself..

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Chris, this is a great concept and something for us to do on future years no doubt about it. My goal for this years event was just to get 100 KJs there. Once we get past that point we can start offering more sessions beyond one at a time. The Mobile Beat seminars that are primarily for DJs (but also many would benefit KJs also) are geared for a minimum of 200 attendees, and most of them are 300-400 and some hit 800-1000 in each one.

Ryan

Legal, I know of None. I know my company was the only certified DJ according to SC and CB. But that obviously doesn't include a large portion of the legal KJs. Yes. The average KJ gig goes for $150 and under and we can't work at that level. That's why we run two KJ shows and don't have them out very often. But whenever things start cracking down on pirates in my area, we are ready to jam! The Gem series, has been great for us, we have two of them

Ryan

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Mainly because someone has to fund this and right now Sound Choice and KCloud are the only ones putting something in on that. He is taking a strong negative push on it that I'm not a fan of but he has been robbed of a ton of his work.



No, we are trying to treat it as a separate event within the main event. Separate marketing and a separate push with some overlap. Does that make sense?



yes you are right on the sound ranges but honestly they both need the music knowledge and the mixing of the sound. Beat Mixing, well I have never learned it and really don't have a need for it, the average wedding DJ (which is our largest market area like how bars are for KJs) you don't need it.



Not with DJs that work for me or a large percentage of the market that comes to our conference. Grand Introductions, Family Dances, teaching line dances, Garter and Bouquet tosses, etc. The only type of DJs that I know of that don't NEED personal interaction beyond requests that come to our show are club DJs, which we don't attract most of them.
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But above you told me that their only interaction is requests, that confusing me. My job as a DJ and a ton of the DJs that I know follow this is to attract attention momentarily and then pass it on to the guest of honor, or the bride and groom, the wedding party, the mitzvah honoree, etc.



Not calling it a spinoff. Calling it a brother/sister to DJs, not a step-brother or anything detrimental like was expressed earlier in this thread. They use some of the game gear, some Kjs are also DJs, some DJs are also KJs, etc.

Ryan

That's exactly what I'm trying to do but not getting enough support in doing. I'm holding up about 90% of this myself and trying to bring Karaoke into the mix even more and give it the respect it deserves.

Work with me,
Ryan

Ryan thanks for responding to part of my post.
You do know that the piracy issue is even worse on the D.J. end--yet no one addresses that.Why?
Untill this returns to a legit business (before you could steal music) both K.J. and D.J.
will be really hurting. Mostly starving part-timers.
I dont know the answer but thanks for wading into this.
Your magazine--your convention--even Iowa K.J.-D.J.--will be much more healthy once we return to legal and professional status.














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Mainly because someone has to fund this and right now Sound Choice and KCloud are the only ones putting something in on that. He is taking a strong negative push on it that I'm not a fan of but he has been robbed of a ton of his work.

Yup, he's been robbed, but the failure of SC as a producer- from what I have seen- is due to mismanagement, not piracy.

Yes, he may be a funding contributor, but if he has a negative impact on the event then he still LOSES both money and credibility for said event. Sometimes it's about planning ahead for the NEXT event as well...

PLUS, a reminder: SC is not a karaoke producer, and has not been for years. They are now a company who's business plan is based on litigation or the threat thereof to Karaoke Hosts whether they are pirates (music thieves) or simply PC hosts.

Can this- in any way- be interpreted as a positive draw for the event? Event promotion is a business unto itself. As such, it either is profitable due to positive draw, or a loss due to negative draw. It has to be done correctly ( positive draw), and not based on other influences ( resulting in negative draw or loss).



No, we are trying to treat it as a separate event within the main event. Separate marketing and a separate push with some overlap. Does that make sense?

It would, if I SAW said marketing and push. Again, the word "karaoke" was mentioned ONCE. Even when getting your voice mail, it asks whether folks are attending the DJ show, with no mention of karaoke. Not really a big deal in general, but when it comes to event promotion every little detail makes a difference.



yes you are right on the sound ranges but honestly they both need the music knowledge and the mixing of the sound. Beat Mixing, well I have never learned it and really don't have a need for it, the average wedding DJ (which is our largest market area like how bars are for KJs) you don't need it.

First, like I said- forget beat-mixing as it is no longer an art. The PC let's anyone do it. However, we disagree on the rest. No DJ who has never done karaoke will understand what the HUGE difference in sound mixing requires. Again, the DJ is working with professionally PRE-MIXED music and vocals, while the Karaoke Host is mixing some version of a reproduction with one of many types of vocalists, and has to do it in seconds. Many DJs can simply set their sound enhancement. On the other hand, while DJs have to choose the proper music to set the event, the Karaoke Host simply has to play what is picked- the DJ needs more music knowledge.



Not with DJs that work for me or a large percentage of the market that comes to our conference. Grand Introductions, Family Dances, teaching line dances, Garter and Bouquet tosses, etc. The only type of DJs that I know of that don't NEED personal interaction beyond requests that come to our show are club DJs, which we don't attract most of them.
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Like I said, that is all mic work, not personal interaction. Building the confidence of a new singer. Solving problems that are non-show related ( Hence, Karaoke HOST), keeping non-singers happy, watching for possible problem people ( I call them mic abusers), remembering that- unlike the DJ that is the star- Karaoke Hosts are [i][u]star-MAKERS[/u][/i] and our egos must be kept in check. Also, while a good karaoke set-up can be used for DJ work, even the best DJ setup can be lacking for karaoke. And on, and on....


But above you told me that their only interaction is requests, that confusing me. My job as a DJ and a ton of the DJs that I know follow this is to attract attention momentarily and then pass it on to the guest of honor, or the bride and groom, the wedding party, the mitzvah honoree, etc.

A Karaoke Host doesn't need attention at all, and there is a difference between passing attention on and making a STAR of someone.

BTW- using the word "mitzvah" by itself to describe an event will make a DJ or KJ look like a fool to Jewish clientele. A "Mitzvah" is simply a good deed. A Bar or Bas/Bat Mitzvah is the coming of age.



Not calling it a spinoff. Calling it a brother/sister to DJs, not a step-brother or anything detrimental like was expressed earlier in this thread. They use some of the game gear, some Kjs are also DJs, some DJs are also KJs, etc.

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Yup, SOME of the same gear. Again, even your voice mail message only addresses the "DJ" conference ( force of habit?). A Karaoke Host hearing that would assume that any karaoke stuff is just another tiny add-on, as has been done at other events- hence, your not so overwhelming response.

RYAN: While I'm probably not presenting myself as gently as I should, I want you to know that I AM trying to be helpful- no knocks are intended. I know that you are TRYING to make karaoke a much more important part of the conference, and appreciate it.

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So after reading all the post in this thread and reading all the points of view, who is going to come to Vegas to see what is really happening away from this forum and others, and get some information direct from the people that are trying to do things in our industry? Or all the posters here just full of their own version of hot air? For those that are on the east coast and said it was too much expense and too much time away, I want to challenge each and every one of you to attend one of several events held on the east coast and in the eastern region. Quit making excuses and start doing. If you are making a living in this business and you have no money left over for any of the great events held around this country including Ryan's offering at Mobile Beat then perhaps it is time to look inward at you business models and see why you have just enough to get by since that is what I am hearing from several in your posts. No extra money. Come and maybe learn a tip or trick to help your business become profitable or more profitable. Jus sayin' ???Something seems to have gotten lost in the message from Ryan since the first post in this thread. I make a nice living as a KJ/DJ and it is my primary income and am able to afford my house and take vacations all while paying all my bills on time. I must be doing something right and have learned a thing or 2 over the years from others and have learned from mine and others mistakes. Making mistakes is ok as long as you don't continue to make the same ones over and over again. All this has helped me improve my business (I have been around this business over 20 years and full-time for the last 3+ years). See you in Vegas! Happy New Year to all my forum friends. We might not always agree but we are all brothers and sisters in this industry. All the armchair quaterbacking is just fluff if there is no action or followup. Get up and do something or sit on the sideline and fault others. Day 1 of 2014, make changes not excuses!

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