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I think that's a great point, Emma, and I agree. More megs, less subs per day. Phill, can you accomodate us?

Don't worry Emma, no one could ever get upset at you with all the hugs you're always doling out!!

It'd be very difficult limiting the amount of subs per day, as thats what you get for your money as a paying member... I sometimes sub a few a day, but then will go weeks without subbing anything...

But you do need to keep something as the "payers privilege" (if thats how its spelt!) otherwise no-one will want to pay for membership!

I agree with the others, I'd quite happily go with quality over quantity... a higher meg rate for each level of membership sounds cool to me

I understand and I am currently working on configuring a letter to send to all 'Paid' members of Singer's Showcase to discuss the issue and get their feedback.

I think there may be some confusion about the numbers.

Whether you are permitted 1 song @ 3MB or 10 songs @ 7MB, the actual figure is based on the quantity of songs archived or stored, also a consideration has to be for the bandwidth* used.

Standard (FREE) members are allowed up to a maximum of 5 songs archived or approximately 15MB.

Whereas, Premium members are allowed up to a maximum of 40 songs archived or approximately 280MB.

The amount of submissions per day really has no relevance to the amount of storage except that the maximum amount of storage may be reached quicker.

As far as bandwidth* is concerned there is no way to actually determine which submissions will receive the most listeners. I can only figure that the more submissions the chances are that they will receive a greater amount of listeners.

* bandwidth or data transfer amount - refers to the data displayed on our website when it is accessed. Every time anyone accesses your submission on our servers, files are transferred to the users web browser.

OK, I'm not trying to be funny, this is a genuine question...

If, say, instead of 10 songs at 7mb each, a paying member could sub 1 song at 20 mb..... how would that affect the bandwidth usage? If there were 10 - 15 songs on the frontpage at 20mb?

This is JUST an example tho, as I can't see that anyone would sub a song at 20mb unless they were subbing the original .wav

I understand what you are saying, however there are many factors that must be considered.

First, a larger submission requires additional retrieval time - A 20MB submission would be "forever" I realize that was only an example.

Each time a submission is retrieved that amount of bandwidth/data transfer is used.

The quantity of submissions per day does not directly effect the bandwidth, it uses up the amount of archived submissions that a member has been allotted.

The amount of daily uploads therefore is simply an added benefit to the paid members. I could reduce the amount of daily submissions however, the archived submissions and the file sizes would not be adjusted.

Paid members are ultimately paying for storage and the exposure that the site provides. I have no way of knowing which submissions are going to be listened to the most or least (which determines the bandwidth used.) It is calculated based on the file sizes and the quantity of submissions archived.

To say that you would accept fewer daily submissions in exchange for larger files is not equivalent. Each level of membership is provided increased file sizes and greater storage space for those submissions.

Basically, what was originally requested was a way to view greater submissions on a page. Currently, it is set to display 50 submissions per page. If I increase the amount to 100 it would increase the time needed to acquire the details of those submissions in order to display them. What I have done is made it easier to view the previous submissions by displaying all pages at the bottom of each page. I have reduced the time a page loads (and I am still working on this) therefore, it is quicker and easier to see other submissions.

I hope this helps...

Phill

Ah well, it was a good thought I guess

Thanks for taking the time to explain it

i would go with 2 songs a day, most of my songs r never over 5 mgs anyway, not at 128....but to slow the front page down some i would be willing to go to 2 subs a day...but thats just me

Phill, i feel that with the amount of songs posted each day the way it is, the less u get heard, the less time u spend on the front page the less ur heard....

i have a question...would it help to get rid of allllllll those past songs, i mean there must be 40 pages worth.....and like myself i have 25 songs on now....in a few wks, they turn over, so those first 25 r gone anyway....just thought it might clean up some space.... maybe not....THE END

Phill...
I think I understand the problem now...

If I post a sub that is 5mgs, it uses up 5mgs of bandwith on its way to your server...most of us think the problem ends here...but...

The REAL problem is when 20 other people come and listen to the sub at 5mgs a piece...(or in OKWhatNow's case 100 people)!! because THAT is REALLY what is eating up the bandwith...and the only way to really fix the bandwith problem is provide more of it...yes, I understand this is costly.

Limiting subs per day could concievably reduce the amount of listens per day also...unless folks are like me and click on OkWhatNow a few times per song!

However, for most of the singers, the problem isn't in the amount of bandwith, file size or storage....it's how long we get to stay on the first page! Egotistical creatures that we are, we like to stay there LONGER...so...what if we had a latest submissions by CATEGORY? instead of all lumped up into one batch? Heck, in some categories, some one us might never leave the 1st page! ! Yes, I understand how some people would probably not get as many listens if they did that....but...

I gotta admit...lately, when I see multiple subs by a singer...I only listen to one of them....because I simply do not have the time to listen to everything. In effect, I'M the one that is ALREADY doing the limiting.
So I really don't think that being able to limit to 1 or 2 songs per day would be all that unfair...I'd venture to guess that I'm hardly any different from most folks in this sense.

Since my membership probably only pays for storage of songs, it's probably the advertisers and sponsors that are really paying for the bandwith.

Limiting to 1 song per day would kill 2 birds with 1 stone...Less bandwith would used up per day...AND the singer gets to stay on page one a bit longer

Your thoughts?

/HUGS,
Emma

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There still seems to be some confussion. You folks almost have it however...

Songs that are archived (stored on the computer) just stay there. If someone listens to them then they use bandwidth. Deleting older songs will not speed up the site.

What is causing the delays are the scripts that are run each time a page is loaded. I am currently working on this trying to "short-cut" the scripts if possible. As of right now, comments or ranks are not displayed on the main page. This alone greatly increased the page load time.

Comments and Ranks can be seen on the Song Detail & Members Profile pages.

I have currently increased the quantity of submissions displayed on the main page to 75 songs. This should cover approximately 2 days. And now that the pages are loading faster it should be quick to see the other pages as well.

I am working on some additional features for many sections. My main concern is and has been getting the site to load faster. I will attempt to restore the sort by Genre (dropdown box) so you may see the lastest submissions by Genre.

This is alot more work than I ever thought it would be and I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause our members!

Thanks

Phill

For the love of God Phil, you're working 24/7 a day as it is! There is no need to apologize to anyone! We're the one's that cannot expect miracles to fall out of the blue!

Whatever you do, I abide by!

for once i agree with allstar...phil your doing a great job i can see some people complaining a little in other subs in the forum, there has been a heap of newbies arrive here including myself so of course the amount of people subbing songs is going to increase...not sure why people are complaining however more people here means more fun and more sharing what they love to do and that's sing....if people dont have time to comment then they dont ... i personally don't judge people or think badly of them if they don't comment on my songs when i comment on there's it comes down to how much time people can spend here ...some can spend more time listening than others...yes people like me i need a life hehehehe....i am feeling a little sorry for phil right now, he's trying to make the pages quicker and when he does something to improve that then theres complaints about whats been removed to make them quicker....ahhh well ya can't please everyone i guess....but for what it's worth i think ya doing a fantastic job taking on board everyones comments and doing your best to try and please people