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I don't care, as long as they have both by singer and by song title. If I know WHO sings the song, then I know last name as well as first name of the singer. If I don't, I use the song title book.

What's irritating is when someone does mix n' match, (i've seen a few KJ books like that) The book will be last name first (Presley, Elvis) and then for some reason they switch some around (Elvis Presley)..... that can make it hard to find, if they don't keep the whole book the same way.

My  ......... keep the change:) Lol

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That isn't necessarily done intentionally.  There are the canned databases that sometimes will have this, i've seen it on the free database search for Hoster as well - not a part of MTU, but it is accessible where people input the data & send it in to the database & the program will find the data that correponds with the information on the disc - most of the time it's acceptable.  But people will type in the info as to how THEY sort by - ie Some by Elvis, some by Presley, Elvis, some by Elvis Presly.  It IS the fault of the kj - or maker of the book - if they don't take the time to proofread for these kind of blatent errors.  Before you spend the money & make copies of the book, make sure it's correct in the first place.

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See, that would BUG me! !

If you're going to list it like that, then do it with everyone!

What gets me is that for individual artists, they'll do that. Fine, I can deal with that. But when it comes to groups, or a band name that has a name in it, it can go either way... and then THAT throws me.

I just do it simply... the way you'd speak their name aloud.

It bugs me too, but for some reason that is the one artist that people don't seem to realize has a last name!  Every night, and I mean every single show someone couldn't find Elvis in the book.

Now I haven't had someone ask this decade.  Otherwise I list everything in your standard English format.  I know what you mean about listing groups Nightshow, but really it's not that confusing.  If the persons name is part of bands name, it's listed as it's spoken without articles of course (a, an, or the)...

Most of this is small stuff, really.  As long as the books are neat, listed both ways (by artist and songtitle), and new music is in one place (consolidated, not new page after old-new page) people are gonna be happy.

oh I completely agree... it's all small stuff in the larger scheme of things.

But there are other artists that are known by one name.

Reba
Wynonna...

Then what do you do about groups that are commonly known by their acryonyms... I've seen CCR listed as BOTH CCR and Creedence Clearwater Revival in the same book! !

Just Elvis.  And Prince, Sean Combs (sp), etal, they only get one listing. I'm not gonna list someone's (solo artist mind you) music all over the place just cause they belong to the name of the month club.  Maybe I'm "wrong" on this one but when you're looking for an artist's songs you want to look in one spot; especially when you're not sure of the songtitle, complicating it further when you're not sure what p. diddy's name was that week!

Bands change members and sometimes the name changes.  Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship, Starship, they're all there with their respective hits.  Might just be an Airplane too, CRS is hitting me pretty hard lately.

Gonna have to consolidate and reprint soon.  That darn Circle of Deals deal has blown up my new music section.  :dancin:

I think it's important for us KJs to remember that not everyone who asks for help is too drunk to fill out a slip.  There are many people who just can't read or write.  One of my rules is that singers need to write their songs down and bring them up.  But I also state that if someone needs help to come up and see me.  I have yet to encounter anyone who will admit they can't read or write.  Excuses are usually in the ballpark of 'I forgot my glasses', or something of that nature.  I'll help if someone needs it, and won't immediately dismiss them as being too drunk.  Their behavior will tell me if their drunk or not, and I can ususally tell if someone is plain lazy or in true need of assistance.

That is why we have a space on the back of the slips for 4 more songs. The regs adapt to it real quick, and if you have most with multiple songs you  can tell with a click and singer history what songs they have done that night. Then you have time to talk to newbies and unless a singer becomes a pain we take direct requests. Even if the singer forgets to put one in and we know that they want to sing we will call them up and take the request on the way up  to the stage. (Another reason why i did away with numbers (title and singer name only))

It is not about the KJ'S pref' it is about adapting and providing each with the best personal service..And 90 % wait if they see you are busy with sound or doing something on the comp.Then you become a very personable host. Ask them whaddaya think?Then they realize there are some very basic rules but after that they are the boss. I dont know how I got into hosting 101 again but there it is.....

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Do you list the manufacturer at least or a manu code?  I like to be able to tell what manufacturer i'm singing from.  NEVER again will I put in a song expecting one thing & getting another.  Born On The Bayou - CCR comes to mind.  There was no manu idnetifier so I had NO clue it was the Music Maestro disaster version - meaning UNsingable.  I put the mic down in the first verse, it was THAT bad of music quality.  I will not frequent a show that does not list someway to identify the manufacturer.

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2 or 3 years ago I started doing this  with dups.. Kid Rock & Sheryl Crow - Picture(SC) Most of the stuff Ive added since I put the manu in brackets.

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Right on!

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The program I use now will print a book and list the manu Abbreviations but I find with the "uneducated" singer it confuses the heck out of them.  

I am constantly getting questions like - WHAT DOES SC MEAN AFTER THE SONG ?
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN  SC, MM. THM, SGB, ???  :shock:

Being a good kj  :wave:  :hi5:  :hi5: I do take the time to edumicate the singers and always point them towards the SC versions......but funny enough I have 2 regulars that do'nt want t sing anything but orginal DK stuff...go figure

   Actually, thatat doesn't usually happen on purpose.  If the host uses,say, KJ Pro for their songbook, they probably enter new discs by number, with all songs and artists on it being entered automatically.  Different disc mfrs. have their info entered into the main database (downloaded from the KJ Pro website) at THEIR preference.  If the host doesn't take the time to check and edit prior to entry those reversals come up......the fault of the mfrs., and the host's laziness.

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  I run into this with people running computer shows AND no player for me to use my own discs.  It's ridiculous!  Then these so-called kjs, when questioned, reply with either " I only have the best versions" which means nothing, or "then don't sing".  Wonderful. Four weeks is the maximum that I've seen these people last.  I have two sets of books, title and artist- and include the mfr. numbers in both. My slips have spaces for name, title, AND number, as well as boxes for key up or down and "own disc".

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Even if someone is running a computer, there is absolutely no reason they can't include some form of manu identifier.  I agree with you completely on this.  As well as being able to play customer discs.
My slips have the same thing as well.

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We rarely get singers with cd's aymore but something I tried at shows With cd clone you can put a cd image on the hard drive and we have done it a few times with the hoster software going. Then we give the cd back to the customer.. With daemon tools  You mount this cd drive emulator with the cd image. Windows and all software sees it as a 'real' drive. One requirement is you designate it with a model # of a cdg compatible drive.

Also you can then rip it into cdg format and actually faster than the analogue drive.

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