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Hey Vicki  :wave:   I'm doin.  Hope all is well with you !

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Hi there folks....

 theres   much to learn just to read others threads....me myself never had any voice lesson..i just sing the way i feel is right for me...(that doesent mean its right) i got much to learn..but i feel we can learn much from listen to others thecnic ...and as i just sing on karaoke level ..and got no intention to become a entertainer...i think its good enough ..but sure i try to improve things i think is needed..just to sound  the best way on my level...but i`m greatfull for any critic .who can help me improve..sure..regards linda

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KEEP SINGING EVERYONE, IT ALLWAYS GIVES YOU A GOOD MOOD!

I know one guy who stutters badly VERY badly, yet he is one of the best performers I have ever heard. He has a voice to die for when he has his guitar and a mic.
Another example is a girl who has stayed with us when she has been down our way entertaining. She has been blind from birth, nature also "blessed" her with a cleft palate and a hair lip. Her speech is difficult to understand. But when she sings you can honestly believe that angels exist, it is the purest most emotional and understandable music you could ever wish to hear. She could also play any keyboard you sat her down at.
its almost as if nature was trying to make ammends

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

I think singing is a "left brain" activity, while standard talking as communication is more "right brain" ?  Does that seem correct ?  I'd need to look this up, but I'm too busy..

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I'd also like to personally thank Jian for his new arduous task as a KS supermoderator.  His work has been unending, and that which he is up against  tenacious & quite unyielding.  Good job Jian,  We were behind you prior to your becoming a mod, and many of us are behind you as a site mod and understand the difficulty of your new chore here.

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Jian,

 I know you sub'd Desperado in the "for fun" category, hence I didn't comment there.  Since I know you are trying to improve your singing I'm commenting here anyway, because I heard a few things I believe can be used to benefit you as a vocalist without your having to put too much technical effort into your singing, I think raising your pitch would benefit you, although I'm not sure HOW doable this is, as I stated,  I think for your LOWER vocal range you should go for the Julio Eglasias style, and for the higher sound attempt to match Bryan Adams register of pitch.  I understand part of a problem you are having that becomes quite noticeable regarding singing of Western lyrics is a problem many Eastern folks have, which of course of pronouncing certain consonant sounds.  Now how and why so many Philipino singers are able to overcome this and do dynamite impersonations covering Western diction eludes me, I know very little about Eastern dialect.  but certain areas are able to do this and immaculately impersonate our dialect, I'm not sure how they compensate for diction aspects but there IS a way to do this.. These are often people that barely speak ONE WORD of English either, however some of these vocalists singing western rock and ballad are able to impersonate some of our styles by working on diction I suppose,  they just impersonate our consonant sounds.  They can't speak them, they CAN sing them !  I've heard several fabulous cover bands do this. One band goes/went by the name M.E.M.O..


 Here is an idea I have for starters.. You sing Desperado in F#,  I believe your higher notes sounded MUCH better in the song.  I'm thinking you should raise that whole song transposing it up from F# to Bb, and sing the WHOLE song two whole-steps higher, EVEN if it means breaking into pseudo-head voice,  I believe you might be able to handle the higher tenor range, not certain yet.. I can't see you when you're singing BUT, the only thing I would advise as you attempt this, and assuming you opt to, (and I KNOW you can carefully match pitch because you REALLY hit a couple of those notes dead-on pitch) is to pay VERY close attention to your pitch matching, closer than ever when you do this because as you sing louder and higher, these things will become less forgiving if/when you stray from pitch, not so easy to cover up..  I believe you can nail pitch, BUT I also believe you should breath deeper and stand up straight when you sing, a posture that allows you more energy ! Taking deeper breaths PRIOR to singing and phrasing verses.. perhaps even standing further from the microphone, sing loud, and HIGHER...  I'd give it a try..  Eagles songs I think you should sing in the higher Eagles register...An idea might be the Eagles ballad Wasted time (although this will be a tougher song for you, I think your style would sound good doing this, assuming you opt to, you can Email me a copy first, and I can attempt to help tweak it), otherwise, I'd like to hear you attempt Bryan Adams "Everything I do, I do it for you" as close to his key as you can do it, push the tenor range UP a few steps for rock ballad !


 SO:   Here's my idea,  Raise this song to Bb, BUT pay VERY VERY close attention to your pitch matching at that raised key, if you must make a transition into falsetto voice that's OK,  try to make it smoothly however.. try to push your voice but take full breaths prior to doing-so so you aren't singing with exhalations cutting phrases short. TIGHTEN UP your facial muscles when you sing, almost as if to make a wide smile..  I'd also like to hear you sing the Bryan Adams song (as high as you can) "Everything I do, I do it for you".. Try to match his pitch and key, go no lower !  Give it a try...  Not sure if you can,  but I suspect you can handle the higher tenor range if you project more..

I think for Western ballad the upper tenor range even if sung in headvoice is fine for you.  Given your vibrato style, and punctuated phrasing of lyrics at the lower pitches, if I were you, and you wish to cover western ballad, I would go for Julio Eglasias style as I stated.  Similar vibrato style, and punctuatied phrasing when singing lower, and slowly.

JMO..

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I will re-read this again latter, Steven. I still have a bad hang over from last night.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

too funny  :wave: kappy and jian

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Ok Steven, I am sober enough now and if I don't post now It will have to wait another day cos I will hit the City again to do another round of karaoke'ing.

When I started singing about 10 years ago I have no problem with reaching those Bryan Adam 'Every Thing I Do I Do It For You'. Now I have problem with that song; I need a hell lot of warm up to do it in the original key. I did a lot of Air Supply song then and they are high. I still sing 'Goodbye' and 'Now and Forever' but I would do those as my last songs for the night.

Desperado was sing with a key change of one step. I don't have any problem with the high note in the original key when I sing this song in the pub. But when I practising that song at home I lower the key. Hitting the hi note on the original key at home will be disturbing the neighbour; just too loud. That was why the key was lowered.

I get less problem with pitch as I get more aware of it. I still have some major problem with breathing. There are times when I run out of air in mid line.

I will try to do a Bryan adam or Eagles' Wasted Time, and see where it will lead to. I think I do it tommorrow.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

OK Jian.  I understand what you are saying regarding disturbing neighbors.  unfortuneately certain living conditions make it difficult for us to practice certain instruments. IE... Sax, Drums, Violin (drives the neighbors dogs crazy),  Analog Synths, Ironically electric guitar and bass are easier to play in tighter living conditions. More volume control without sacrificing technique.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

I went out last nigt to sing and tried a few songs. I did Air Supply 'Now and Forever', but can get to hit the high in the last verse; the KJ step in to help me out; he is good.
wanted to do Goodbye but they have a diffrent verson; I should have brought my own.
I tried recording Everthing I do I do It For You' but it was at the wrong time of the day. I need to sing that song late in the evening to hit the hi. I will try again latter.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott